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Neither do we have any vehicle inspections in Florida.
It's almost as bad a situation for public safety as Y2K turned out to be.
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Neither do we have any vehicle inspections in Florida.
It's almost as bad a situation for public safety as Y2K turned out to be.
Perfect analogy...I wish I could give this two likes.
46 allow in some form OC. FL will be 47.
As far as Jersey, they once had cheap gas, no longer.
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I hear you, I'm on 70% Service Connected, and it sure wasn't free. I should have said I paid nothing in dollars.
Clint Smith in his training programs long ago gets credit for the one liner, "open carry is stupid", I think he says it on a video with Bill Wilson at Wilson Combat too. But that is based on his jobs in which he was involved dealing with bad guys routinely. Maybe 20 years ago where it was common.
Four law enforcement agencies, much undercover and plain clothes I do not open carry very often. It depends on where I am. I once worked as a police officer in a city that had the highest incident rate in our state. We had a 1% biker club HQ there and we had all night bars and sleazy strip clubs open to 5 am. When you walked in because of a fight or call, you always worried about your gun because you were pushing your way through the crowd. Every one in the aisle would be within 1 foot of you. And everyone breathed on you. Of course we were in uniform and the hand was always on the gun.
I once was in a bar as a customer and an officer was attacked for no reason. When the officer fought back, another guy grabbed for the officer's gun in an open holster. I was close and knocked him down, saving the officer. I later met the officer who was thankful of course, it happens quick.
When I am in Wyoming, I do not fear much risk, except for bears and Moose and wolves close by are scary at night, crime is low there and just not many bad guys live up there. So, if outside I might open carry or not, but really is there is one state where you do not need to carry for fear of other humans, Wyoming would be it. I cannot think of a place I have been in Wyoming where you walk close to people anyway.
So I agree, nobody seems to care when you carry or not in Wyoming. Kind of like carrying wire pliers or a Leatherman tool on your belt. You seldom need them, but carry them anyway.
Apparently you have not studied the effects of gun permits, permit less carry and open carry and it's effects on people in those states. Travel or tourism had NEVER been shown to affect tourism, not in any state. I became a CWW instructor in 1996 just before the law took effect. The anti gun people went nuts saying there would be gunfights in the street etc, blood knee deep they said. I was a bogus claim. In 2019, we went to Constitutional Carry. Same thing, there would be blood in the street, did not happen. Our tourism steadily increased every year and continues to clime. Not many open carry and it is not a big deal.
Crime trends down, it is a blessing. On the other hand we know that people avoid cities with high crime and limit their travel there. Most of those cities have limited gun carry rights.
You fear or tourism loss makes no sense what soever. Where are they gonna go? Texas beaches? Everybody carries in Texas. Alabama beaches? Same thing.
Florida draws people because of the nice beaches, fishing, and warm winters. It will always draw people, some of them will bring their own guns, I do and I stay on a military base. On the military base I stay in an RV, they have a policy. If you carry on base, you must leave your guns inside your car or RV. Military people from all over the country vacation in Florida, even us retired ones.
There is just zero evidence that open carry legislation deters tourism in any state. Not sure where you got that but it is just something somebody made up that opposed the law. I do not like to see open carry, but it is no big deal. Anyone who is suddenly fearful has other mental issues to deal with.
You may not believe this but, the states I have lived in for the last 77 years has never restricted end user self service gas pumps but I have, on many occasions, seen gas being pumped by an individual smoking a cigarette. I wonder what the statistics are on gas station fires/explosions and cigarettes.
VA care differs by location and clinic and specialty. I am 100% with multiple diseases, some weeks I am there 3 days in a row getting infusions 3 hours at a time. Other treatments for other issues require frequent trips. So, specialties are better outside the VA, the VA is slower in many cases and simply restricted in state of the art drugs they are allowed to prescribe.
For example, I have lung disease. 10 years ago I got Nucala from Tricare and Medicare, VA primary care still cannot approve it. I have lung disease from a fire, VA told me there was nothing they could do and in 6 weeks and 4 visits a specialist pinned it down and treatment started.
And no, it was not free. Two of us were in the fire, I have been crippled up decades, my partner died at age 43. No it was not free. And no, it is not always the best. But it works pretty well for the volume they treat.
Mental intelligence has been show to vary by where people live, the education they get, their DNA, etc. Maybe the people in Jersey just do not have the intellectual ability to walk and chew gun at the same time? Or maybe figure out how to pump gas safely? lol
In law we have some pretty good rules of deciding matters in dispute. In a criminal case we decide something happened when 12 folks think there is no reasonable doubt. In civil cases they do not require some much belief among the 12, sometimes just 9 people are required for a verdict, that is if 75% of the jury folks decide an issue then the claim is decided.
So, if 75% of the states find pumping your own gas is safe, then a court would rule it is safe. So, when a government agency takes the position that something that bizarre is not safe, they must prove some bizarre risk exists. Pretty hard to do. I always thought the law was to protect gas station jobs, and to keep the local stations from being put out of business by the big C stores or Walmart gas pumps, if they have them there, ie, Murphy Gas. Many of our Walmart locations here in Oklahoma have them. You can get your groceries, have your oil changed, get a hair cut and get your gas at many of the Walmart locations here.
Wanna bet?
Sure. Post a link to it . . .
Yes. Name the amount and the medium, then recall what happened to Mike Lindell.
It really doesn't matter if there's an actual list (or more likely a database), the information is out there and it can be collated.
And even if "your" specific information isn't out there, when they outlaw guns and I believe they will, your gun is going to be worthless.
I mean, what are you how are you going to use it without getting caught? You can't defend your home with it because you'll be in jail with the guy that broke into your home.
So if guns are ever banned and they don't come up with a list and go from house to house and confiscate you might have one but all it's ever going to be able to do is sit in your closet and rust
If the Yankee Gov't was even one third as organized as people think it is, we'd all be in big trouble . . .
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None in The State of New Jersey of course, but in the other reckless 49 states which allow self service at the pumps, I'd guess that number is well into the millions by now, rivaled only by the unfortunate number of fatal slip and fall accidents suffered by careless folks while stepping out of their vehicles to pump their own gas, and that's not even considering those who bump their heads while getting in and out of their cars and suffer serious concussions.
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