An unusual Sat
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Not rare but modified. From the factory it came with a straight tapered blade. The blade tip has been hollow ground like the last version of SATs.
Yours started life like the 2nd one from the right. But modified to the improved hollow ground version, first one on the right.
Photo by RKmesa (Richard)
Yours started life like the 2nd one from the right. But modified to the improved hollow ground version, first one on the right.
Photo by RKmesa (Richard)
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Shouldn't the package include a cleaning rod, mop and brush? Perhaps it was modified then re-sealed into a bag
Is that transitional from long taper to hollow ground?
cgt4570
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Odd and unlikely, but never say never with Smith & Wesson. Lots of things exist that shouldn't exist. They experimented with everything, and they scrapped very little.
Hi Paul,
None taken my friend.
I wish I had clearer pictures for you to look at.
On yours you see the remains of the tapered tip above the added hollow grind cut. There was no reason for the taper above the hollow grind. It was very well done but it's modified. SATs have been studied for years and there's no such animal.
The package: That is not correct either. These were packed from the factory in a sealed plastic bag, ~2" x 8", along with the cleaning rod and tips, which was the length of the rod.
No, not at all. No reason to do it that way.
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Is it ground on just one side?
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I'm just not seeing it the same Jim.
I can be like that where I'll stick to something
I really have to be shown
This looks absolutely untouched.
Some good questions to me would be if it was modified why for starters ? Why would it even look this good afterwards?
Another picture
I can be like that where I'll stick to something
I really have to be shown
This looks absolutely untouched.
Some good questions to me would be if it was modified why for starters ? Why would it even look this good afterwards?
Another picture
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Both sides Lee
StrawHat
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If you click on the image of the SAT’s posted by Jim it will enlarge. You can then isolate the hollow ground SAT and see it is only hollow ground, no taper above the grind.
Why would someone do it? To make it a better tool. I frequently modify things that are not the way I want them. I used to have tool boxes devoted to specialty tools I built to make my life easier.
Kevin
Why would someone do it? To make it a better tool. I frequently modify things that are not the way I want them. I used to have tool boxes devoted to specialty tools I built to make my life easier.
Kevin
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Would you then use that tool Kevin ?
This hasn't been
Would you have black oxided it and not worn it at all ?
That's what I'm getting at.
No disrespect to you either but that's the point I'm getting at the part that wouldn't make sense to me.
Don't know the why's but it exists and does not look modified to me.
I just have to believe my eyes on this still.
This hasn't been
Would you have black oxided it and not worn it at all ?
That's what I'm getting at.
No disrespect to you either but that's the point I'm getting at the part that wouldn't make sense to me.
Don't know the why's but it exists and does not look modified to me.
I just have to believe my eyes on this still.
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Paul that close up photo shows it much better. It doesn’t look hand ground, it looks machined. And a finish applied as you posted. It looks factory made, just not S&W.
There’s several threads about reproduction SATs with excellent photos to tell how to spot them. This one isn’t because it isn’t a reproduction of a Smith SAT, it could be an improved version made and packaged like yours, that were sold before S&W began hollow grinding their SATs. That’s my 2nd speculation at this moment.
My top speculation is a bunch of tapered tip Smith SATs were modified to sell.
If it’s a reproduction an in-hand inspection will reveal it.
I’ll be the first to call it a Smith SAT with more evidence. I’m just not convinced yet.
There’s several threads about reproduction SATs with excellent photos to tell how to spot them. This one isn’t because it isn’t a reproduction of a Smith SAT, it could be an improved version made and packaged like yours, that were sold before S&W began hollow grinding their SATs. That’s my 2nd speculation at this moment.
My top speculation is a bunch of tapered tip Smith SATs were modified to sell.
If it’s a reproduction an in-hand inspection will reveal it.
I’ll be the first to call it a Smith SAT with more evidence. I’m just not convinced yet.
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Thanks Jim as always.
I don't have a long taper one to compare the top hole on it with.
I do notice the top hole is smaller than the later produced hollow ground ones.
I've been picking up Sat's from this local dealer for over a decade. Both Hollow ground and long taper ones. He used to work at S&W before opening his gun shop.
Some of the reason I'm as sure as I can be that it did come from S&W.
The long taper fluted was a very short run and they
I do wonder if that aspect on it may help ?
The package it's in I don't have much speculation on the why.
It is of the consistency of the same thin plastic
Used in the sealed tool kits of that time frame and appears sealed the same to me.
I don't have a long taper one to compare the top hole on it with.
I do notice the top hole is smaller than the later produced hollow ground ones.
I've been picking up Sat's from this local dealer for over a decade. Both Hollow ground and long taper ones. He used to work at S&W before opening his gun shop.
Some of the reason I'm as sure as I can be that it did come from S&W.
The long taper fluted was a very short run and they
I do wonder if that aspect on it may help ?
The package it's in I don't have much speculation on the why.
It is of the consistency of the same thin plastic
Used in the sealed tool kits of that time frame and appears sealed the same to me.
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That smaller hole in the handle is kind of a dead giveaway it's not a Smith product.
max503
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I been using one like that for years.
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I don't have a long taper one to compare that hole size do you ?
Or do you know if that hole size was the same or different?
It is something Different than those other HG ones.
Visually, the hole in the fluted aluminum handle of sight screwdrivers is the about the same for the flat blade and hollow ground blade. There is a little manufacturing variation of the hole size, but nothing significant.
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