Another For-Profit College fails

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In the wake of the recent collapse of ITT, it was announced over the weekend that Career Point College (several locations in Texas and Oklahoma) has closed its doors. It provided programs in health-related fields, business, and computer technologies. Apparently some CPC employees looted the financial aid funds. The sad part is that the affected students are left holding the bag. Their time and money are lost and the course credits won't transfer anywhere else.
 
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As you all know, Ruthie lost 18 months of elective credits in the ITT collapse which she will have to redo. Fortunately her nursing credits are accepted at her new state college.

It has been heartbreaking for thousands of students.

We look at it as a speed bump.

Stiff upper lip and all that, eh wot?
 
It's very fortunate some ITT credit could be transferred elsewhere. What I had read about ITT was that no other institution would accept any credits from ITT, and it seems to be the same regarding CPC. I just heard a sound bite on the local TV news about all of the nurses which were supposed to finish their CPC programs in December now having nowhere to go. A double shame, as it seemed that all the CPC students they were interviewing were minority women, black and Hispanic. And they really need jobs.
 
It's a real shame. For-profit "education" unfortunately is an open invitation for abuse. A slick internet presence, some office space leased somewhere, some unemployed teachers with or without credentials hired, and you've got the smoke and mirrors in place to go for the money available from financial aid and too-easy-to-get student loans, taking ruthless advantage of people who want to work hard to better themselves.

And since an education is not a product like a car that can be relatively easily checked out and compared, it can take a few years (wasted in time and money for the students) before the business model collapses. The market weeds the bad ones out eventually, but that is little consolation to those who don't have the time and money to try another one.

And those are just the "entrepreneurs" who want to make quick money, not necessarily defraud people. If you add folks who actually steal the funds, as appears to be the case here, that's adding insult to injury.
 
Many of the for-profit schools will admit anyone who has a positive wallet biopsy, knowing perfectly well that they (a) won't make it, (b) won't find good jobs if they do, and (c) either way will have accrued a ton of debt.

My brother taught for many years at a school of electronics that, while it was a for-profit institution, had an excellent reputation nationwide for turning out very capable graduates. Then a chain bought the school, a bunch of suits came in and made it clear that enrollment was Job One, and the standards began to go to hell. His failing health would have forced him to quit anyway, but he was hugely relieved when he could escape what was an increasingly disreputable operation.
 
Latest information is very fuzzy on exactly why it closed, but something to do with financial hanky-panky. There are now some conflicting stories. Lots of these for-profit schools exist mainly for the purpose of getting government tuition money in some form or other.
 
The majority of our colleges have become more about money than education. As far as admitting anyone with a wallet, thats a joke. not hard to get into many colleges and they will help you get a student loan that you can never pay off with the liberal arts degrees they provide. Tons of kids with degrees "managing" fast food joints.

The for profit colleges are only the tip of the iceberg. Some good some bad. Just like "public colleges". Besides, what makes anyone think a private college isn't for profit?
 
It's a fact......

If you take courses at any unaccredited institution the credits won't transfer. I feel sorry for them but it's a known fact that you are taking a chance. Continuing education is a problem, too. I've had trouble over the years, but I've managed. Some things I've had to take over again. At the time in my life it was no big deal. It would have been worse if I were planning on graduation and the place folded up.
 
The majority of our colleges have become more about money than education. As far as admitting anyone with a wallet, thats a joke. not hard to get into many colleges and they will help you get a student loan that you can never pay off with the liberal arts degrees they provide. Tons of kids with degrees "managing" fast food joints.

The for profit colleges are only the tip of the iceberg. Some good some bad. Just like "public colleges". Besides, what makes anyone think a private college isn't for profit?

Well, since teaching at the college level is what I do for a living, I could stay up all night presenting various angles on this topic. But I've got to get up in the morning and go "teach", so let me make a few points.

Steelslaver makes several excellent points here. One is that there are tons of kids with degrees who are "managing" fast food joints. And not just kids from shaky schools either, as part of the problem is that there are more graduates in some fields than jobs for them to find. Of course, a big problem is that there are schools out there that are not acredited by legitimate accrediting bodies. Those schools who are legitimately acredited grant credits that are accepted by other acredited schools. Many students do not know whether they are attending an acredited school or not.

Profit. Most State Colleges and Universities are both legitimate degree granting entities and "non-profit". That doesn't mean they are free. Here in my state, an enormous amount of funding for public schools came from our "coal severance tax". Yep, every ton of WV coal helped pay for education, paving roads, and so forth. Perhaps you have heard that "coal" is not popular in some circles today, although we have spent billions of dollars developing scrubbing technology to allow for clean burning coal fired power plants, for example.

Guess what.... Big decrease in tax revenues translates to increased tuition for students, = higher student loan debt with which they are then saddled for most of the rest of their lives. Oh, yeah, in case you think faculty are getting rich, I (and my colleagues) haven't had a raise in something like 4 years.

Well, I could comment all night, but gotta go to bed sometime. We could also look at the textbook industry as one of the culprits in this mess. My Introduction to Criminal Justice paperback textbook, about 1/2" thick costs about $200! Hardbacks are naturally more expensive. And the textbook publishers issue new editions almost every year, so that the student can't find used ones at a reduced rate. This adds to the big student loan that builds up.

One of my best students, a young lady who is now a lawyer, and thankfully has a job, managed to complete her undergraduate degree debt free, by working, and family help. She then went on to get a Masters, and a Law Degree, and now has over $200,000.00 student loans to repay. Imagine if she had financed her UG degree with loans, she would be about a half million in debt. And that's here in poverty stricken West Virginia.

Let me know if you want me to go on... We who care in higher Ed are aware of many of these problems, and do what we can to help, but mostly feel helpless.

Best Regards, Les
 
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My school....

My school switched textbooks every quarter so that everyone would have to buy new books. If a number of people had the second part of a course to finish they might deign to keep the book one more quarter. Used books were worthless. The bookstore manager had the nerve to tell me, "We aren't profiteering here."

That, and they they began to charge exorbitant prices for books back then. I'd hate to see what they are now.:(
 
Not knocking necessarily knocking education and teachers, but, everyone doesn't need college and we have tons of young people with liberal arts degrees that have very little in the way of actual job skills and huge student loan debt.

On the other hand many of the craftsmen jobs are filled with an ageing work force and very few young people coming into them.

Education for education sake is fine if you can make a living and pay for that education. I have very little formal education, but, I have never stopped learning.My fiancee is an attorney, still has student debt after over 10 years of practice. Yet, she is always amazed at how much I know.
 
One of the things always on my bucket list was that I wanted to teach at the college level. Well, after two semesters teaching night/weekend school at ITT Technical Institute I was done. My students were mostly on Workers Compensation from work related injuries, and I had visions of inspiring them with knowledge and passion to get their degrees and go out and conquer the world! Know what, none of them ever wanted to go to work again and get off the Workers Comp. gravy train of free money and benefits.
 
'One is that there are tons of kids with degrees who are "managing" fast food joints.'

Would seem to be an upgrade over burger flipper.
 
One of the things always on my bucket list was that I wanted to teach at the college level. Well, after two semesters teaching night/weekend school at ITT Technical Institute I was done. My students were mostly on Workers Compensation from work related injuries, and I had visions of inspiring them with knowledge and passion to get their degrees and go out and conquer the world! Know what, none of them ever wanted to go to work again and get off the Workers Comp. gravy train of free money and benefits.

True in many cases, but, my SIL had a work place injury and went to ITT and got a great job, and then went on to gett an even better one. Probably the exception and not the rule for worker comp cases.
 
Not knocking necessarily knocking education and teachers, but, everyone doesn't need college and we have tons of young people with liberal arts degrees that have very little in the way of actual job skills and huge student loan debt.

On the other hand many of the craftsmen jobs are filled with an ageing work force and very few young people coming into them.

Education for education sake is fine if you can make a living and pay for that education. I have very little formal education, but, I have never stopped learning.My fiancee is an attorney, still has student debt after over 10 years of practice. Yet, she is always amazed at how much I know.

Very good points. For a few years, I managed the apprenticeship program at a local GM plant. Our sales pitch to students and parents was going to be:

You can go to college for four years, pay $20K for tuition, and graduate to a job that pays you $45K a year. Or you can go through an apprenticeship program, earn up to $9 an hour, go to school and get paid for it, graduate in 4 years debt free and earn as much as $80K a year. Your choice. (Of course all those dollar figures were based on the time.)

The problem? The local school system wouldn't even let us talk to the kids. For them, it was college or nothing. :(
 
Back in the day before I got a degree (public 4 -year), I visited ITT tech and the tuition was enormous. I didn't pursue it further.
 
I don't know about other areas, but in TN there seems to be a lack of vocational skills in young Americans. Even when I was in HS, I only remember two vocational classes available. Everyone cannot be above the hands-on technical jobs or we will continue to rely on migrant labor.
 
Over the years I've had multiple college grads take entry level jobs because they could not find something better.

I've had 4 or 5 Admins who had a degree, one had a Masters. I had one admin who was a lawyer, he hated it and wanted to try something else. After he made it 3 months I got him a position in our engineering group writing programs. After a merger he joined the USMC and went into JAG, He spoke 3 or 4 languages and does field work.

I think I was a father figure to him, we got along great. I told him what to expect in Boot and how to keep focus, he told me all I relayed to him was right on, he had no issues at all. With 7 years of college he went in as a Captain. He said when he retires or sooner he will work for one of the lettered organizations. We update each other at Christmas.

The other admins should have been teaching at kindergarten level, a college degree does not make the person more than they are.

It's a shame there is not better protection for the students. The Gov allowed these schools to operate, they need to force other institutions to accept the students and their credits. But then I forget the world is set up not for us the little guy but is for the money guys.
 
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