Another gun pointing home owner charged

[Doug M.]

We expect people to come to our front door. USPS, FED EX, UPS, pizza delivery, door dash, grocery delivery, Fuller Brush Man, Jehovah Witnesses.

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Not everyone does. The more security conscious do not use a street address for anything unless forced by law. We had a major conflict between some prosecutor friends in another county and a state agency over the practice a decade or so ago. That office strongly advocated that no one ever use a street address for mail etc. as a step against mail theft and related fraud. A state agency took issue with that for some dumb reason I no longer recall - and lost. If I need a street address for shipping, I use my office, which is not publicly accessible, and the drivers know. I have not used my home address for mail and the like for so long I truly cannot recall; it's well over 3 decades.

Pizza and the like, I tell them it's pain and to make sure the driver carries my phone # so I can come out and meet them. Those who encountered Bozo (avatar) were very happy I had a fence and really understanding about why I gave the directions I did.

I am as nice about stuff as people let me be. They breach that, they get what they earned by their misdeeds.

 

[flagman1776]

"POSTED: NO TRESPASSING, NO SOLICITATION, STAY OFF MY LAWN."

Sprinklers would be cheaper than his bail.

 

[rwsmith]

Yes, but i disagree with the first line.....

Unfortunately, there is no simple solution, and no amount of planning at this juncture can possibly result in a meaningful resolution. All we can do is be smart, be vigilant, ride out the storm, and only act if absolutely necessary. (i.e. in Self-Defense.)

Like it or not, the odds are not in favor of the average law-abiding citizen right now and things are going to get worse before they can get better.

I foresee the situation playing out as follows... There will be a steady escalation of civil unrest leading up to the election, followed by a tremendous surge once Trump inevitably gets elected for a second term, but with the election secured, Trump won't pull any punches and will most likely deploy the National Guard, things will go about as nicely as you'd imagine by that point, but ultimately the riots will end and those involved will be held accountable for their crimes, with certain organizations being rightfully designated as terrorists.

Hopefully I'm wrong about this, but that's just the way I see things going, and believe it or not, that's me being optimistic, as obviously it could go much worse than that.

Personally, I would recommend that anyone who lives in or nearby a major metropolitan city take a nice little vacation to somewhere quieter this November, perhaps a trip out to the country. Because regardless of who gets elected, bad people will use the situation as an excuse to cause trouble, especially knowing that the police will be busy.

This is only reaching a certain number of people. I put something on Quora and got a LOT of agreement. But still it's not enough. We need to PUT THE WORD OUT to every law abiding property owner in the country. Once that is done, we can let the 'powers that be' know that we know what they are up to and people can inform their representatives of the same. We have 'sat out' riots before, but again, this is an attack on US. And like you say, it's has potential to become very bad and is heading that way.

Put the word out any way you can. People aren't expecting these tactics that are being used. Most of us are rarely confronted with threats and we need to revise our plans on how this is dealt with.

 

[Echo40]

This is only reaching a certain number of people. I put something on Quora and got a LOT of agreement. But still it's not enough. We need to PUT THE WORD OUT to every law abiding property owner in the country. Once that is done, we can let the 'powers that be' know that we know what they are up to and people can inform their representatives of the same. We have 'sat out' riots before, but again, this is an attack on US. And like you say, it's has potential to become very bad and is heading that way.

Put the word out any way you can. People aren't expecting these tactics that are being used. Most of us are rarely confronted with threats and we need to revise our plans on how this is dealt with.

I agree, but at the same time I doubt that the folks who aren't already aware are willing to listen.

Unfortunately, it is my experience that those who are unaware of obvious present danger are the sort who is willfully ignorant, the sort who would rather pretend that the world is a much nicer place, and lashes out at anyone who has anything to say to the contrary, often to the point of ending friendships over it.

I used to know a lot of people like that. Acquaintances, co-workers, and even people that I considered to be close friends who seemed like folks who were legitimately too innocent for their own good and at times even left me questioning if I was perhaps too jaded/cynical, but when I would try to talk to them about anything even slightly negative, even though the goal was to come up with a positive solution and I would explain that I was concerned for their well-being, they wouldn't have any of it. If I pushed even a little bit, they'd start making all sorts of rude insinuations like I was paranoid or even that I myself must be a bad person for being suspicious or questioning the methods/intentions of others. So eventually I stopped speaking with those sorts of people, particularly after they had made it clear that they no longer wanted to talk to me.

 

[rwsmith]

The world is changing...

...and we aren't comfortable with it. We are doing a lot of things that we never thought we'd be doing.

Laying low can be a valid response to a lot of situations. Sure there are people that won't listen and call you names. One thing that isn't comfortable to us is being more vocal on issues. I'm that way. I prefer to write my congressman and say I've done my duty. Other problems are that good intentions also get distorted and nobody wants to be associated with a group that has gone off the tracks and people don't want to be a part of it.

i don't think this is going to work for us anymore and I hope that people with organization and leadership skills will help take us to a stronger position before we fail to adapt and lose out.

 

[Muss Muggins]

Here's the issue for me. Your mileage may vary.

I am presently being judged and evaluated by a playbook with which I did not grow up, and which is being issued to me in short sentences or paragraphs after the incident for which I am being judged, and I do not expect this to change before I die . . .

...and we aren't comfortable with it. We are doing a lot of things that we never thought we'd be doing.

Laying low can be a valid response to a lot of situations. Sure there are people that won't listen and call you names. One thing that isn't comfortable to us is being more vocal on issues. I'm that way. I prefer to write my congressman and say I've done my duty. Other problems are that good intentions also get distorted and nobody wants to be associated with a group that has gone off the tracks and people don't want to be a part of it.

i don't think this is going to work for us anymore and I hope that people with organization and leadership skills will help take us to a stronger position before we fail to adapt and lose out.

 

[elm_creek_smith]

I think, instead of confronting the thugs, going into the dark back yard and lobbing a few "commercial grade" fireworks over the house might be fun. Then I could tell the police they're trying to blow up my house.

 

[MRB1]

There's a world of difference between urban and rural reactions to trespasser confrontations. Laws may read the same, but the end results aren't. I can see where in the city someone could get their panties in a wad from having someone point a gun at you for trespassing - that just comes with the territory - too many people, too close of quarters, and oversaturation of the stupids. In rural areas, if a trespasser isn't eaten first by the dogs, they should expect a gun pointed at them, and should feel lucky if it isn't used. If I found a trespasser on my property right this minute and called our county sheriff, it might be today ,or later before they show up - depending on election time. So, we handle our problems on our own - nobody gets hurt yet.

 

[fredj338]

If you come onto my porch at 5:30 in the morning . . . knocking and ringing my bell, you will be met by an armed homeowner

My speech to the my Wife's Stalkers would have been different than the video I just saw and my firearm would not yet be pointed at anybody in particular

Which is the difference. This case & the stupid StLouis couple have the same problem, awdw is not appropriate for a trespass. Pointing guns at people in most states is awdw.

 

[tops]

These are just the thoughts of an ignorant old man with a third grade education. A mob of people coming to an individuals property should be realized as a threat. A mob of people should be realized as a disparity of force. Larry

 

[LCC]

Have only had to display a weapon one time at our home, at 2am in the morning having just stepped under our bright front porch light with 12 Ga Mossberg Mariner held at port arms, staring at the driver and his buddies that had just gone through our rural neighborhood spinning doughnuts in our fields in their lifted, beat up 4x4, and were now parked in front of the house yelling and throwing beer cans out the window. Do believe they got rubber in both first and second gears speeding away.

 

[ladder13]

I think those groups should be subject to RICO. They are organizing a criminal enterprise (rioting/looting) and then bailing out their members in the few places that are actually arresting them. Sounds like racketeering to me.

I'd like to know who's pocketing all those millions being "donated" to "the cause".

 

[Drm50]

I don't know about self medicated but it seems this medication trend started in schools. Little Johny got medicated instead of getting his butt paddled for acting up. Then butt paddling was outlawed. Every problem was treated with medication. People were allowed to excuse their actions and live under medications. I don't know where the entitlement and non responsibility began. More that likely blow back from Harvard Case Law. I don't know what clinical thinking is either so I write it off to a thing called Marxism.

 

[Ziggy2525]

I don't know about self medicated but it seems this medication trend started in schools. Little Johny got medicated instead of getting his butt paddled for acting up. Then butt paddling was outlawed. Every problem was treated with medication. People were allowed to excuse their actions and live under medications. I don't know where the entitlement and non responsibility began. More that likely blow back from Harvard Case Law. I don't know what clinical thinking is either so I write it off to a thing called Marxism.

IMO they substituted medication for recess. Schools cut back on recess. Then they couldn't figure out why so many boys were hyperactive in class. Instead of deciding to put recess back in the curriculum, somewhere, somebody decided medicating kids was the answer. Seems like the wrong answer.

My 2 cents.

 

[rwsmith]

'Should be' are the right words...

These are just the thoughts of an ignorant old man with a third grade education. A mob of people coming to an individuals property should be realized as a threat. A mob of people should be realized as a disparity of force. Larry

'Should be' is correct. What's happening though, is different.

 

[fredj338]

These are just the thoughts of an ignorant old man with a third grade education. A mob of people coming to an individuals property should be realized as a threat. A mob of people should be realized as a disparity of force. Larry

The issue is what is the threat? Do they have the means to injure you in your home? Are they destroyng your property? If they are just yelling at you, not a threat worthy of deadly force, which is exactly what you are using by pointing a gun at someone.
Many of you need to read & understand the laws in your state. A gun is not a remedy in a dispute, it is when your life is actually threatened. Anyone that misuses their weapon, ccw, home owner or leo, does a diservice to every gun owner.

 

[tops]

'Should be' is correct. What's happening though, is different.

There "should be" some changes made. Immediately if not sooner. As one of my business college teachers would say "Time is of the essence". Larry