Another little problem with renewable energy?

Speaking of big Blades.
Have you seen one up close?
They are Huge!
On a recent road trip I found myself sharing a 2-lane highway with a semi hauling a turbine blade along with 3 escort vehicles to provide traffic control during necessary maneuvers (intersections, on & off ramps, etc). Jockeying that long a load through a needed change of direction took anywhere from 30 minutes to an hour every time. In one case a highway department crew was on hand to remove road signs and mounting posts so enough clearance could be provided.

Nothing else to do but park, shut off the engine, and watch the show. I doubt that little convoy could have made 200 miles working from dawn to dusk.
 
France and Germany are shutting down nuclear plants and plan to continue.

German Government Lied About Nuclear


The German government is moving forward with plans to close its last three nuclear plants this December despite Europe being gripped by the worst energy crisis in 50 years. Robert Habeck, Germany's Vice Chancellor and Federal Minister for Economic Affairs and Climate Action, said there is no point in operating them because Germany lacks natural gas, not electricity.

France "went green", with 72% of it's power being generated from nuclear stations?

There is much to be learned from France's control of that industry, like plant design standardization and waste reprocessing.

I was working at B&W Nuclear Technologies in Lynchburg VA when the French company, Framatome, which designs all their nuclear power stations, bought the division I worked for. They brought in a much higher level of professionalism and accountability.

"France's Efficiency in the Nuclear Fuel Cycle: What Can 'Oui' Learn? | IAEA" France's Efficiency in the Nuclear Fuel Cycle: What Can 'Oui' Learn? | IAEA


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On a recent road trip I found myself sharing a 2-lane highway with a semi hauling a turbine blade along with 3 escort vehicles to provide traffic control during necessary maneuvers (intersections, on & off ramps, etc). Jockeying that long a load through a needed change of direction took anywhere from 30 minutes to an hour every time. In one case a highway department crew was on hand to remove road signs and mounting posts so enough clearance could be provided.

Nothing else to do but park, shut off the engine, and watch the show. I doubt that little convoy could have made 200 miles working from dawn to dusk.

I see them on a interstate up by me. Most times they have the whole windmill setup on a bunch of oversized trucks. Normally at least 5 LEO cars in the procession and a bunch of auxiliary vechicles with flashing lights. Totally they can easily stretch out to a 1/2 mile in overall length!

Like they used to say on that old TV series staring Ward Bond, Wagon Train Hooo!
 
There's a lot of issues with renewable energy. I was reading a good article on it this weekend. I'd link it but it's behind a paywall.

Some pertinent data:

1. Counting the charging equipment, electric cars consume 6X the copper of a conventional car.

2. Your average wind turbine requires something on the order of 4+ TONS of copper.

The copper miners are having trouble expanding to meet the expected demand because of....environmental concerns about the mines! Not to mention more tons of steel and aluminum. I'd say that's quite the "irony".

If.

Our copper mines near Silver City, Bayard, Hurley, and Santa Clara have a 300 year supply just in the Santa Rita pit. But they are mining more in Chile because royalties and labor are much cheaper, and enviro regs are lax.
 
Please do NOT refer to them as "electric" cars. They are battery powered cars. Electric implies running all the time as long as the power cord is plugged in. "Battery" powered is just that-it runs until the battery is discharged at which time you throw away the batteries and replace with fresh duracells or, if your battery is rechargable, you recharge the battery-which as everyone knows is a time consuming process with issues such as memory, etc. At some point the battery will not take a recharge at which time you replace it.
And anyone who has had to but a new battery for a drill knows, the battery is more expensive than the drill.
This "electric" nonsense is no more than a clever ploy to divert your eves away from the bouncing ball.
 
Big Blade - that was a RV dragging the Blade.
No, not a Recreation Vehicle, a Rudolf Vehicle.
Named for Rudolf Diesel the inventor.
The only person I talked to was the Chase truck Lady from Bee Branch, Arkansas.
This was on a Sunday Morning in Mountainair, NM.
 

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As Caj notes, battery replacement is a big issue, at least for those of us who keep vehicles for decades. The Ford pickup is the only design I've seen that seems to have that in mind. Pics of the "Lightning" show a big tray bolted to the frame (no body in the pics). Would seem that system would be plug n play. But only if the battery drops off the bottom of the frame.

Speaking of wind powered generators....Back in the last century I was in the Beaumont Pass area of Kalifornistan. There are gobs of wind turbines, and being curious, I stopped, looked and listened. To my surprise, the damn things were noisier than any power plant I'd been outside of (inside the turbine building is another story). And, once the death toll on birds was revealed, the critter huggers went out of their collective gourds. Might be green, is also deadly.

About French nuclear, they went about it (kind of) better from the start. Built 3 plants of different designs and ran them for awhile to find out which was the best. Once they decided that, they built a slew of them. However, I saw an article on the decommissioning of one of the rejects. It was a nightmare: disposal of massive amounts of contaminated material due to horrid design. Beau coup tax money down the drain.
 
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I love S&W revolvers - carried them for decades, not years. But today when I leave the house I'll have a Shield 45 tucked away. It's as powerful and reliable as my treasured revolvers.

Technology changes, and what works best at lowest cost eventually wins.
Agree 100%. When the battery powers cars work as well as the Shield-I'll be first in line to buy one. Until then, I'll stick with petrol powered vehicles. Hell, I'm still out on front wheel drive :D
 
France and Germany are shutting down nuclear plants and plan to continue.
France has discovered problems with pipe stress corrosion, which instigated emergency shutdowns on several plants. Also, several plants are undergoing regular maintenance shutdowns. And lastly, the first group of plants is forty years old, and reaching their end of life.

But France has not walked away from nukes, rather they have recently announced a group of new builds.

"Announcing new reactors, Macron bets on nuclear power in carbon-neutral push" Announcing new reactors, Macron bets on nuclear power in carbon-neutral push

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Ther are always pros and cons. A few years ago WY had an issue with tons of retired wind mill blades that would have to be buried in a landfill, and the news media made a big deal out of how green energy wasn't green. WY is oil and gas country so the general objection wasn't a big surprise (although most of the power plants there are coal fired). My dad was a millwright who worked on most of the turbines when the power plants in that area were built.

But in the interest of fairness, and now being from NC where Duke Energy's incredibly poor management of toxic coal as is a huge problem, I looked at the number of kilowatts of electricity produced by those blades in the field in question over their 20 year life span. I then looked at the mount of coal ash produced in WY power plants to produce the same kilowatts of power.

Interestingly, the tins of toxic coal ash was 187 times greater than the retired blades that would have to be buried.

More importantly the composite materials in hose blades is stable, and won't leach into the ground water, so all it has to be is buried. In contrast that toxic coal ash has to be buried in a pit sealed with non porous material and then covered with more non porous material and then top soil. Then it, and the surrounding water tables have to be monitored and when problems are inevitably found decades later, it has to be remediated.

So yes, blades wear out and have to be replaced and disposed of and it's not perfectly green. It is a *lot* greener than "clean coal" technology.

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I grew up in western and central SD and my dad, as a millwright also worked on the turbines in the Oahe dam when it was constructed in the early 1960s. Not counting the other dams ion the Missouri River in South Dakota it flooded over 350,000 acres of prime bottom land and along with the other dams effectively severed a long standing wildlife migration corridor.

Poor management by the Corps of Engineers that prioritizes both power generation (and a $300,000 per year barge traffic industry farther down stream) has also resulted in major flooding (something it was intended to prevent, with a massive flood in 2011, and frequently fails to maintain water levels during the spawning season which significantly impacts the fishing tourism industry in the state.

On the plus side it does generate power that is available on demand at peak times. (But SD doesn't see any of it, it's sent farther south in the power grid).

Nationally, hydro electric power accounts for only about 15% of power generation but it's flexibility is critical to prevent brown outs during peak load periods.

California and the desert southwest is about to figure that out as water levels drop to the point that power generation can no longer occur.

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Anyone remember Three Mile Island? They had a failure in a secondary system and a stuck valve in the primary coolant system that resulted in a loss of reactor cooling water, which the operators failed to recognize.

Yet, even with two separate failures and the inspiration for Homer Simpson at the helm, the containment system still worked as designed with minimal release of radiation. The lasting effect of the accident was a results of anti nuclear activists coming unglued and effectively stopping nuclear development in the US. Of 129 unclear power plants approved for construction when the TMI accident happened only 53 were completed.

Those uncompleted nuclear power plants that were cancelled were replaced with more coal fired power plants, which resulted in acid rain, coal ash runoff and other water quality issues that became obvious in the 1990s, and crested far more health and environmental issues than nuclear power.

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Electric vehicles are not going to be an effective solution if we don't find a cleaner way than coal to charge the batteries in them.
- Molten Salt Reactor technology is one promising possibility, but again the chicken headed nuclear activists will object to that.
- wind and solos energy are no doubt part of the solution, but they will need to be accompanied by better energy storage technology.

Flying over the Appalachians I have observed reservoirs on top of hills that are in fact energy storage systems. Excess wind and or solar energy is used to pump water from a river or lake uphill to a storage pond. Then during peak periods, or at night or when the wind isn't blowing the water is released back down the hill turning the impellers in the pumps to generate electricity.

- battery technology and restyling the materials in those batteries to make new batteries is also rapidly improving and that will be essential to make the cars themselves greener.

Unfortunately, all of the above will be opposed by people who are not willing to look beyond sound bites, memes and hit pieces from their preferred news sources owned and managed by folks with a vested interest in delaying necessary change as long as possible to maximize profits from the oil, gas and coal industries.

Instead we should all be interested in learning about the wider range of options with an open mind and an eye to what's in *our* interests and not the folks feeding us stories like retired wind mill blades, while leaving out the entire other side of the issue.
 
Agree 100%. When the battery powers cars work as well as the Shield-I'll be first in line to buy one. Until then, I'll stick with petrol powered vehicles. Hell, I'm still out on front wheel drive :D

My daughter lives/works in California and has a 30 mile roundtrip daily commute. She and her husband bought a bottom-of-the-line 2017 Nissan Leaf in 2018 - it's her commuter. She charges it at home from 11 PM Saturday to 6 AM Sunday to get off-peak rates. The best they can tell, it costs 40 to 60 bucks per month for juice; there are no oil changes or similar routine maintenance costs. They have 45k miles on it now without one problem of any kind.

Their long distance vehicle is a hybrid.
 
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I've found about a 10 year life span on any panels I've had. Was hoping for much more but it hasn't happened.

Two things kept us from investing in that a few years ago.

First, NC / Duke Energy (at least in our area) won't let us have an off the grip capability with a storage battery; and

Second, they will only pay us half the going rate for any electricity we put into the grid, and they restrict the amount of cells we can have, so that we can't really produce enough to generate more than we theoretically use.

When I ran the numbers, I found that by the time we actually paid the system off through reduced electric bills (not eliminated, just reduced, and also at the mercy of potential fees and fee increases) we'd be at the end of life of the system, and have to replace it.

Until they make it economical for home owners, through lower costs, better technology and a more reasonable business model for buying and selling solar electricity from consumers it's just not in our interests to invest in it.
 

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