Another old "Pawn Shop" engraved W&K comes to the surface

This is a great thread!! I grew up in a little town,(Ingram, TX), about 7 miles outside of Kerrville. My parents have lived there since the 60's and my grandparents spent quite a bit of time in the Kerrville area during the time period that this story was happening. I sent a link of this thread to my dad to see if he has any info on this story,(he's not real cpu savy, so we'll see) and I'll pass on any info I can get from him. Really cool that I can place places with the events that happened a good time back, thanks for putting this story out there. Great find by the way!!

Trash
 
From the pictures it looks like he prefered a diff. holster sometimes. more high riding like a Brill style. Maybe the holster you have is the first one he used? This is as good as it gets. The pics. of him wearing the gun is icing on the cake.
 
Dan,

Sort of related to Curtis's question regarding finishes - do all these guns letter as being nickel guns from W&K shipments? Or, were some refinished? It appears that some of the hammers/trigger combos may not be in the original case hardening finish.

Thanks (...and what a great collection!),

Jerry
 
Lots of questions here so I'll try to fill in the answers that I have.

First to Wyatt:

Good eyes man! It is the same holster. In the early pictures where he is wearing the Sam Browne Belt, the belt loop was lower...about in line with the trigger guard so the gun rode very high. The holster, as presently configured has had a professionally applied drop loop which would position the grip about mid forearm level while standing. On the back of the holster the original stitching for the first loop is evident. Apparently, in later life the loop played out or he decided that the gun was easier to access in the lower position.

Speaking of the holster there is no maker's ID on it. The only marks are a 44 over a 5, indicating that it is for a 5" .44. I would appreciate anyone's input as to the manufacturer. The basket weave and lacing are first rate. The holster is open on the end and the basket weave is nicely finished off at the end so I am sure that it started out that way. Who made it??


DW,

I'm not offended at all. The gun really is almost grotesque in our eyes today. But apparently it was just what the Chief wanted. Whether it was his affection for the Ranger who gave it to him or it just satisfied his own needs, he carried it daily for 22 years on duty. Not only did he carry it, he proudly displayed it at every photo op.


Curtis,

Regarding who did the engraving, remember that W&K was not only a pawn shop but also a jewelry store. I believe that the same motorized engraving tool that was used to inscribe rings, watches, etc. was used to do this work.



Dan,

I just got through taking the gun down to the bone and cleaning it. Although the exterior reveals the 22 yrs of hard use, the interior is in excellent shape. Just a little wear in the cylinder bolt. I can honestly say that the bore and the cylinder were cleaner than most of the guns in my safe. Apparently the Chief took good care of his firearms.

The nickel cleaned up nicely, but the engraving is cut through to the metal much like that on the 2nd model that you pictured so that gives it a dark appearance. The pearl grips look beautiful with the years of grime removed. Now I need to find a way to replace the ruby eyes.

Inside the grips are the Roman numerals X VIIII on each side. Most likely done to keep the two matching sides together by the carver.

And BTW, it's just my impression but I think that many of the elements of the primary engraving design have a distinctive Mexican or Mexican Indian (Aztec) appearance.


Lee,

Yes, the sadness of the story is reflected in the title of the chapter in the book that I quoted: "The Prisoner Roasted Alive".

As if that wasn't enough, after a rain cooled the ashes, the mob used torches to cut into the vault where the prisoner's remains were found and now I quote the author in part: "As his body was thrown out just before midnight, the vast crowd cheered and shouted. After the morbidly curious, which included women with exhausted children sleeping in their arms, had an opportunity to stare at it, the corpse was dragged to the street and placed on a truck bed. A procession of an estimated two thousand or more yelling rioters followed the truck as it headed toward the Negro section of Sherman and stopped in front of a Negro drugstore.

Throughout the day the crowd had been clamoring to get their hands on Hughes so they could lynch and hang him. Now he was in their possession, though dead from suffocation and the furnace-like heat of the court house destruction. That did not dissuade them from their intention. A noose was formed on the rope that had been brought. It was fastened around the neck of the dead man. The other end of the rope was thrown over the lower limb of a large tree that stood in front of the building. The body was hauled up with loud cheers of mass approval.

Incendiary material was collected and placed in a huge pile beneath the corpse. When the pile was set afire to cremate the body, the mob was not satisfied but, instead, the building itself was set afire. A total of nine fires were set until the 124th Cavalrymen arrived and dispersed the crowd and cut the body down."

There is more to the story but that is plenty to convey the emotion of the event. As I was reading the story I couldn't help but remember similar circumstances which befell our troops in Somalia and related in the story Blackhawk Down. The world is still only a blink away from savagery.

Bob
 
Great stuff Bob,

It excites me to hear of the Roman Numerals on the back of the grips. I have 2 sets that do, and 3 that dont.

Jerry,

I only have letters on 3 of my guns and they all letter as Nickle. A couple of my guns were renickled later in life. The one with the Jigged Bone grips and the 1st model triplelock with the Fire Blued screws in the sideplate.

The Mother of all BBQ guns which is what I call it, has gold plate on the Hammer and Trigger and the flutes of the cylinder. That gun came from W&K that way I am sure. It was given to Sheriff Owen Clay Matthews of Grant County New Mexico by a Texas Oilman named Burton Prince.
At Tulsa a year or 2 ago at the Dinner Meeting a gentleman named Herman Cook gave me the lowdown on Burton Prince as he knew him back in the old days, in Waxahachie Texas I started research on him but havent been able to complete it.
 
Hi, Bob. In the close up where he's standing behind the guy on the bike, his holster has a distinct loop around it. That's why I mentioned a Brill holster. The guy to his left carries a .45 Auto, nickle(?), with pearl or ivory grips. And it looks cocked & locked! Again. Great story and pictures.
 
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I think it's a Brill Bob. Have a look at Jerry Campbells holster below, that goes with his Wolf & Klar. This one is marked as Brill.

Hope it helps.

Dave

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Dave,

everytime I see that gun I start drooling. what a fantastic piece of American History.

Bob,

you said you cleaned the Pearl grips. Hopefully you did not remove all the gold tinting in the crevices. I think W&K applied it as an accent to the grips.
 
Excellent story.:)
I enjoyed reading the history of the revolver.
 
I certainly don't think this gun, or any of the W&Ks, are ugly. Of course, I'll take a fixed sighted .44 anyday over an RM. As is evident from this thread, anytime you see one these engraved .44s, it immediately spurs curiousity as to whose it was and where it's been. The story just makes them all the more special. Excellent job, Bob.
 
Dave,

I think that it is probable that my holster is a Brill. Of course, mine is a different model lacking the loop and lining but having the lacing and the retaining strap. However, under magnification there are significant differences in the basket weave between yours and mine. That might simply be different stamps used for different models or different years of manufacture. Another friend who is a big holster collector here also suggested that mine might be a Brill.


Dan,

If there were any gold highlights on mine they were long gone and replaced with a lifetime of grime. I used a light solution of Windex and a soft cloth to remove the dirt and they have a lovely old opalescent glow now. Even the chip at the top of the left grip came clean so it is much less noticeable now. It is amazing that they have survived 22 years of a hard life with only that small defect and the loss of the ruby eyes. If I still had my dental office and materials I'm pretty sure that I could repair that chip so that it wouldn't be noticeable. I may look for some of the material used for red sight inserts and see how that will look in the eyes.

I seem to remember a previous post where someone here, who's wife was a jeweler, said that she used a light coating of mineral oil on pearl necklaces once a year and recommended that for MOP grips also. Does anyone else recall that?

Bob
 
Bob,

I had a set missing rubys so I went out to a pawnshop and asked about loose jewels of that size. got both of them for less than $20 and installed them myself with clear epoxy.

added : did you see the Post by WyattBurp about some actors 1926's. they appear to have the same sideplate design as yours.

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I just dug this one out to show that all the W&K guns didn't sell with the "ugly" option. This one is about 350 numbers away from the Chief's engraved one and it shipped about 3 wks. later. Cell phone picture certainly doesn't do it justice.

Bob
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Rather than just grossly applying SP's tag of "ugly", I might describe the style as kitsch. There is no question that when compared with the classic engraving styles of Gustave Young, the Ulrich family, Cuno Helfricht, etc. this style is aesthetically deficient. If this was a "one off" example it could be dismissed as an abuse of a gun. On the other hand, the fact that it is represented multiple times, I think that the style can be called an excellent example of a truly American art form. In the art world, it would be like comparing the primitive style of Grandma Moses to one of the classic old world artists.

I agree with this 100%, these revolvers are not ugly at all.

Considering the reputation of the fellows who employed these revolvers, prehaps serious gunmen of today might consider some "wriggling" and a pair of steerhead pearl stocks a sign of prowess!
 
I seem to remember a previous post where someone here, who's wife was a jeweler, said that she used a light coating of mineral oil on pearl necklaces once a year and recommended that for MOP grips also. Does anyone else recall that?

Bob

I've heard that same thing on more than one occasion. I've also heard you can age them in tea. Extended low humidity will shrink and crack ivory. I don't know if there is any recovery from that.
DW
 
Bob,

you mention you have a chip in your grip. I have been doing some inhouse repairs on this pair and I think they look much better now. I still have a long way to go as the grip was dropped and broke but it sure looks better now. I used a clear 2 part epoxy. I took them to several dentists and they looked at me like I was retarded. I hauled them to a couple big shows and had some grip guys tell me it was more then they could do.

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Nicely done Dan. The secret in repairing anything that is translucent (such as mother of pearl or teeth) is to use a material which picks up and reflects the color of the object being repaired. The material which is used to in dentistry to repair teeth comes in multiple shades to match the damaged area.

Sorry you couldn't find a dentist to help you.:confused: It seems like the kind of a challenge that a "gunny-type" dentist would love to try. I do know, however, that there isn't an insurance code for repair of Steer head carved pearl grips:D

Bob
 
Bob, I like you're defense of the "ugly" tag these guns get. I love the flamboyant flash when Mexican influence mixes up with American culture. And it's exclusive to the southwest. Stevie Ray Vaughn and ZZ Top are an example of this. These guys were raised on Tex-Mex music. There music and flashy way of dress just wouldn't happen in Wisconsin for example. The old lawmen of that era felt it. Look at the way everyone dress in Tombstone. I think they got that right. And I like the fact that such gaudy, pretty guns were used by hard core tough as nail mankillers. BTW. Do Colts count?
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Great Thread!!!

One of the best "special" threads I have ever read.
I feel that far fron being ugly, these pieces are special for being a niche in S&W history and of the region, Texas. They are, I am sure far rarer than factory engraved, and each has a special history. These law enforcement officers wanted weapons that were differant in appearance to give themselves individual distinction, especially the Texas Rangers.
I wish that when I called 911 I knew men of that caliber would be responding, instead of some idiot that can't hit the barn door with birdshot.
Again, great thread, an article in SWCA journal would be great.

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Posts like this is what makes this forum different from the rest.

Thanks Bob for sharing, and thanks Lee for a place to prop my feet up and enjoy the company of other like minds.
 
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