Sorry, I know this is off topic, but I'm hoping for some input.
The problem: Hubby and I are remodeling. We moved the washer and dryer from the back entryway to the basement, moved an electrical panel down stairs as well, and I patched and mudded the hole left by the panel. I painted one wall in the back entry with the new paint, white semi-gloss latex, one coat, latex over latex.
A couple weeks later, we decided to take out the old laundry hookups. They were in the exterior wall space, and not insulated, so we insulated and patched the space.
In the process of applying the drywall mud, the scraper lifted the paint off the surface of the wall. rolled it up on the scraper just like it had stripper on it. This paint had been there for at least three weeks.
We discovered that the moisture from the mud lifted the one coat of paint we had applied, peeled it up in sheets. 1n fact, a damp sponge run across the paint, and it peels when rubbed with a finger. It did not affect the paint below.
So, we trotted back to the store, they told us it was a 'cure time' issue, and that we couldn't get it wet AT ALL, for 2-4 weeks of cure time. AND, it was probably the semi gloss surface below that didn't let the new paint adhere, so we either need to sand, prime or both.
The paint/mud thing was a mess, so we took out the patch, cleaned everything up, scraped off all the mud and tape, and replaced the patch, mud and tape. I took a damp sponge, wet the wall and scraped the whole thing, then cleaned it, sanded, primed, and then finally, applied a new coat of latex, then continued down the hall with the new paint. (I'm getting really good at patches!)
Looks great, except for one thing... The paint is not adhering. The tiniest bit of moisture, and the paint lifts. Peels off in sheets.
We had waited the weeks since fixing that wall and repainting, so that we could put the base moulding back on, and of course, in the process, I'm trying to patch some small gaps and things. The patching, again, is lifting the paint. Parts of this have been painted for 5 weeks. hubby left one piece of moulding leaning against the wall where he was fitting it. When I picked it up to prime it, it peeled the latex off the wall where it had stuck, and it just peels right off.
So, hubby went to the other walls and tested them, and the paint is just not sticking.
Ok, wall facts:
House built in 1957; painting kitch, dining room, back entry, hallway, stairwell.
Kitchen and dining are enamel paint,(1950's pink!) so I've patched, sanded the patches, scrubbed with TSP, rinsed, sanded/scuffed the surface and primed with oil based primer. No paint top coat here. (I'm afraid to paint it!)
Back entryway: I painted when we moved in several years ago using semi gloss Sherwin wms, scrubbable paint. Three walls & ceiling cleaned with TSP, not sanded, not primed. Two walls were painted with the latex, and the third is the aforementioned problem wall.
Hallway is white semi gloss...was here when we moved in. Not sure if it's enamel or latex. It's not original to the house, where the pink was, so it may be latex. It's been cleaned prior to painting, but not primed.
So, we have:
1) a wall latex on Sh.Wm's paint, It's been painted for almost 5 weeks. this was painted with the first coat, and has not been touched or tested. We're afraid to touch it!
2)a wall that's been cleaned, sanded, primed, and repainted for a little over three weeks.
3) a wall that has mystery paint with a coat of latex over it, which was painted 4+ weeks.
Three different wall surfaces, and none of the latex paint is adhering. Any bit of moisture, ie, a patch or fill, wiping a handprint, etc, will cause the paint to lift. oh, these are completely smooth walls, no texture.
Back to the store again, and they're saying cure time, too much moisture in the air (yeah, we're semi-arid here and I've opened the windows, there's no bathroom on this floor, but it's moisture?) temperature, not enough prep, etc.
I realize, everything's going to be MY fault, despite the fact that I did all I could to prep first) roller type, etc. They did take the numbers off the cans to check to see if there are any batch problems or complaints.
(Incidentally, hubby got on a website and read through all this painting preparation and technique list, and it was like a checklist of what I had done RIGHT.)
What I want to know, is, why it's not sticking on THREE completely different wall types?
PLUS, the one wall is the ideal... tsp, cleaned, sanded, wiped, primed, and painted, and it is still not sticking. HOW can that be?
Beyond knowing what is causing the paint to lift, I'm wondering what the solution could be?
AT this point, I'm thinking the only correct solution is to scrape the entire hallway, back entryway, ceilings, and buy new paint. Yeah, I'm looking forward to that....
anyone got any input? fixes?
edited to add, we tested the hall paint and it is latex. So, part of the paint that is peeling is latex on latex.
The problem: Hubby and I are remodeling. We moved the washer and dryer from the back entryway to the basement, moved an electrical panel down stairs as well, and I patched and mudded the hole left by the panel. I painted one wall in the back entry with the new paint, white semi-gloss latex, one coat, latex over latex.
A couple weeks later, we decided to take out the old laundry hookups. They were in the exterior wall space, and not insulated, so we insulated and patched the space.
In the process of applying the drywall mud, the scraper lifted the paint off the surface of the wall. rolled it up on the scraper just like it had stripper on it. This paint had been there for at least three weeks.
We discovered that the moisture from the mud lifted the one coat of paint we had applied, peeled it up in sheets. 1n fact, a damp sponge run across the paint, and it peels when rubbed with a finger. It did not affect the paint below.
So, we trotted back to the store, they told us it was a 'cure time' issue, and that we couldn't get it wet AT ALL, for 2-4 weeks of cure time. AND, it was probably the semi gloss surface below that didn't let the new paint adhere, so we either need to sand, prime or both.
The paint/mud thing was a mess, so we took out the patch, cleaned everything up, scraped off all the mud and tape, and replaced the patch, mud and tape. I took a damp sponge, wet the wall and scraped the whole thing, then cleaned it, sanded, primed, and then finally, applied a new coat of latex, then continued down the hall with the new paint. (I'm getting really good at patches!)
Looks great, except for one thing... The paint is not adhering. The tiniest bit of moisture, and the paint lifts. Peels off in sheets.
We had waited the weeks since fixing that wall and repainting, so that we could put the base moulding back on, and of course, in the process, I'm trying to patch some small gaps and things. The patching, again, is lifting the paint. Parts of this have been painted for 5 weeks. hubby left one piece of moulding leaning against the wall where he was fitting it. When I picked it up to prime it, it peeled the latex off the wall where it had stuck, and it just peels right off.
So, hubby went to the other walls and tested them, and the paint is just not sticking.
Ok, wall facts:
House built in 1957; painting kitch, dining room, back entry, hallway, stairwell.
Kitchen and dining are enamel paint,(1950's pink!) so I've patched, sanded the patches, scrubbed with TSP, rinsed, sanded/scuffed the surface and primed with oil based primer. No paint top coat here. (I'm afraid to paint it!)
Back entryway: I painted when we moved in several years ago using semi gloss Sherwin wms, scrubbable paint. Three walls & ceiling cleaned with TSP, not sanded, not primed. Two walls were painted with the latex, and the third is the aforementioned problem wall.
Hallway is white semi gloss...was here when we moved in. Not sure if it's enamel or latex. It's not original to the house, where the pink was, so it may be latex. It's been cleaned prior to painting, but not primed.
So, we have:
1) a wall latex on Sh.Wm's paint, It's been painted for almost 5 weeks. this was painted with the first coat, and has not been touched or tested. We're afraid to touch it!
2)a wall that's been cleaned, sanded, primed, and repainted for a little over three weeks.
3) a wall that has mystery paint with a coat of latex over it, which was painted 4+ weeks.
Three different wall surfaces, and none of the latex paint is adhering. Any bit of moisture, ie, a patch or fill, wiping a handprint, etc, will cause the paint to lift. oh, these are completely smooth walls, no texture.
Back to the store again, and they're saying cure time, too much moisture in the air (yeah, we're semi-arid here and I've opened the windows, there's no bathroom on this floor, but it's moisture?) temperature, not enough prep, etc.
I realize, everything's going to be MY fault, despite the fact that I did all I could to prep first) roller type, etc. They did take the numbers off the cans to check to see if there are any batch problems or complaints.
(Incidentally, hubby got on a website and read through all this painting preparation and technique list, and it was like a checklist of what I had done RIGHT.)
What I want to know, is, why it's not sticking on THREE completely different wall types?
PLUS, the one wall is the ideal... tsp, cleaned, sanded, wiped, primed, and painted, and it is still not sticking. HOW can that be?
Beyond knowing what is causing the paint to lift, I'm wondering what the solution could be?
AT this point, I'm thinking the only correct solution is to scrape the entire hallway, back entryway, ceilings, and buy new paint. Yeah, I'm looking forward to that....
anyone got any input? fixes?
edited to add, we tested the hall paint and it is latex. So, part of the paint that is peeling is latex on latex.
