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I am thinking about buying a wirefeed(120V) for little projects,I want something of pretty good quality without breaking the bank.The machine I am looking at most seriously is the Hobart Handler 140.
Any feedback on that machine,suggestions of other machines in that general price range, or any other comments you think would be helpful will be appreciated.
Thanks,
 
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I have the Hobart 135 and have been fairly happy with it. Granted it won't do heavy duty welding but it ran good enough for me to rebuild my horse trailer (1978 Miley steel trailer). The Hobart line is basically Miller's low level equipment according to the welding supply where I bought mine. They pointed out the minor differences to me and I felt that it would work fine for my needs. I spent a couple hundred less and only gave up a few widgits.
 
I am thinking about buying a wirefeed(120V) for little projects,I want something of pretty good quality without breaking the bank.The machine I am looking at most seriously is the Hobart Handler 140.
Any feedback on that machine,suggestions of other machines in that general price range, or any other comments you think would be helpful will be appreciated.
Thanks,

Hi 7003006,

I'm an ASME/AWS certified welder. I have a Lincoln Ranger 250 gas engine welder/generator...a Lincoln Power MIG...a Lincoln Square Wave TIG...and a Hobart Handler 140.

I highly recommend the Hobart Handler 140. I've used the hell out of mine with no problems at all. I've used it with stainless steel wire and steel wire (solid w/ gas and self-shielding flux-core). It has paid for itself many times over.

As happy as I am with the Handler 140...I also like the comparable Lincoln SP-140 and the Miller...in fact, I think the Hobart Handler 140 may really be made by Miller...mine says Miller right on the gun.

Stay with any of the "name" brands and you'll be OK...don't buy off-brand junk.

Gordy
 
Hbrt Handler 140

Hi 7003006,

I'm an ASME/AWS certified welder. I have a Lincoln Ranger 250 gas engine welder/generator...a Lincoln Power MIG...a Lincoln Square Wave TIG...and a Hobart Handler 140.

I highly recommend the Hobart Handler 140. I've used the hell out of mine with no problems at all. I've used it with stainless steel wire and steel wire (solid w/ gas and self-shielding flux-core). It has paid for itself many times over.

Gordy


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I whole heartledly concur witht the Hobart 140. I have one and it is a very simple and easy machine to use. Wire feed and amps knobs are easy to read and use. Spool access is easy and simple. Clearing an over feed is pretty simple. Changing polarities is as simple as removing two wing nuts and swapping poles. Will handle solid wire or flux wire well. Aluminum is something else though. If you are going to do any wire welding with aluminum I'd suggest a teflon or aluminum specific liner. It takes a lot of practice and skil to weld with aluminum wire and I'm still "practicing".

From 1/2" conduit to 1/4" steel, the Hobart 140 will do anything you need it to do. Argon is about $65 a bottle now, but solid wire makes a much cleaner weld than flux core and no chipping flux afterwards. Brush a little and prime.

Good luck, but definelty stay away from the "Chicago Electric" varieties.

SC
 
While the 110V welders work for light welding, the will limit your ability to weld heavy stock. In addition, 15 amp circuits are much too common in most home wiring, which menas that you may have constant problems with tripping the breaker.

Because of this, I would recomend that you look seriously at a 220V single phase welder of similar capacity. They weill draw 1/2 the amperage from the source and usually feature a slightly higher duty cycle, which will permit welding heavier stock on occasion. When the company I work for first started up all we could afford was a cheap 220V Century from Sams Club. It used 0.024 wire, which proved very useful for welding light stock but also stood up to some pretty heavy use for 8 years. If we could purchase a new contactor for it, we would still use it. For a 300 dollar, reputed POS welder, that Century prooved to be an excellent value. Now we have industrial grade Millers that work great but there are times when that little Century would be nice to have. Plain truth is that smaller wire made it a lot easier to weld up sheet metal cleanly because it was a lot less prone to burning through than 0.035 wire.

BTW, whatever you choose, make sure that it's gas compatable. IMO flux core wire is terrible, it's messy and I don't like the weld quality. For laying down a clean looking, spatter free weld, nothing beats gas.

PS, we just started in a new area of welding for us, MIG welding with silicon bronse wire. I'll tell you that was a real "learning experience", as in I was nearly at the point of quitting and getting a job flipping burgers at McD's. I started out using our welding robot that has a Miller 350A Pulsed welding power supply using Millers recomended settings. Once I figured out that the "maintenace" person had mounted the spool holder in such a way that it was grounding out the weld wire things got a lot better but spatter was a big problem. Our welding supplier made some calls to customers who were using this process and that really helped. Turns out that straight MIG works much better than pulsed. Now I have a good, clean, bronze weld that we can sell and we will be starting production after the first of the year. Now, how does this relate, simple, the stock we are welding has a 0.026 wall thickness. So, if you find you need to weld some really thin decorative stock, look into using silicon bronze wire, it will really help prevent burn through. Gas is 50/50 Ar-Co2, voltage is 14.0, and wire feed is 150 ipm. The only factor I don't know about is the amperage, I'm using a 350 amp power supply and because the silicon bronze wire is more conductive than steel the current draw may be too high for a smaller welder. However, if your beating your head against a wall trying to weld something thin, it's worth giving it a try.
 
I am thinking about buying a wirefeed(120V) for little projects,I want something of pretty good quality without breaking the bank.The machine I am looking at most seriously is the Hobart Handler 140.
Any feedback on that machine,suggestions of other machines in that general price range, or any other comments you think would be helpful will be appreciated.
Thanks,

Just so happens I have the Hobart Handler 140 at the house. Perfect for projects around here. Good for 1/4" and less. Flux Core wire sucks! Rent a bottle from a local welding house or Tractors Supply. (5 year contracts are the norm. ie. $125 ) I shopped around and they had it cheaper than my welding contacts from work. ($450 ish)

You will need to run a dedicated 20 amp circuit for it. If you do that, all will be fine!! My $.02 Hope this helps.

rags
 
If we could purchase a new contactor for it, we would still use it.

scooter, that's the reason I can't recommend off-brand welders...but I guess for 300 bucks, you got your money out of it.

Any welder can break...but service and parts are important. FWIW, the techs that work on welders tell me they like Millers the best...easiest to diagnose and repair...and great product support from the company.

Welders are like guns...if you're into welding, you can't have one and bigger is usually better...but not always. I've done jobs with my Handler 140 where a bigger welder simply wouldn't work...for example...I carried it into a shopping mall once and went up the escalator to the food court. I did a weld repair on a stainless steel bun warmer in a Wendy's...used the stainless wire with the tri-mix gas. This little 110V welder was perfect for this and there was no other choice...they didn't have a 220V outlet...even if I could have wheeled my bigger Lincoln MIG in there and took it up on the elevator. Without the Handler 140, I would have had to turn the job down. This one job paid for my Handler 140.

When done properly, weld quality of gasless flux-cored welding is fine. The welds will be strong and cosmetic appearance can be just as good, if not better, than solid-wire with a shielding gas. The slag cleanup on a FCAW (flux-cored arc welding) bead using a 110V welder and .030-.035 wire is extremely minimal. It's not like the heavy slag on...say...a 7018 SMAW (shielded metal arc welding) or "stick" weld.

Also, if you're welding outdoors...the gas-shielded, solid wire process or GMAW (gas metal arc welding) can be a huge problem. Any amount of wind will blow your shielding gas away causing weld defects including, but not limited to porosity. Not really an issue with gasless core wire.

Gasless flux-cored is used in heavy structural steel welding, not with 110V welders of course, so it is well-tested for quality. GMAW and FCAW both have their uses...depends what you're doing. I wouldn't buy a 110V welder that couldn't do both...nice to have the option. :)
 
15 years ago I was in the welder sale buisness. The Handlers were the back bone of our rental buisness. I do agree with Scooter, unless you need the ease of plugging into a 110 just about anywhere, I would also vote for a 220 machine. Lincoln, Miller and Hobart are my top three. All make a 220 "Suitcase" welder. For a little more money the larger roll around machines have far better duty cycles. I have a Hobart 170 now pushing 20 years old. I have replaced the gun/lead twice, but the machine has not needed any work. Also, the wire spools are much cheaper per pound on the larger spools (30-45 lbs) than the smaller 10 pounders. At one time you could get the 30 lb .030 for the same price as the 10 lb. And in most cases with the bigger machines the gas bottles rides on the machine. Don't be afraid to ask for a "contract" price for your welding gas. It really doesn't cost the supplier much more to fill a 300 CF cyl as it does an 80 CF. I have made deals with suppliers and can usually get a 300 size swapped for $25-30 for C25 or straight argon. I usually say "that's what we paid at the last shop I worked at". Most welding shops sell welders at or near cost, they make their money on the repeat buisness of wire and gas. Find a counter man you hit it off with and ask for a "good guy" price on the supplies.
 
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Gasless flux-cored is used in heavy structural steel welding, not with 110V welders of course, so it is well-tested for quality. GMAW and FCAW both have their uses...depends what you're doing. I wouldn't buy a 110V welder that couldn't do both...nice to have the option. :)
I definately plan to get something capable of both.
15 years ago I was in the welder sale buisness. The Handlers were the back bone of our rental buisness. I do agree with Scooter, unless you need the ease of plugging into a 110 just about anywhere, I would also vote for a 220 machine.
The portability of the 110 machine along with the fact the garage is not wired for 220 and I'm not planning to do anything real heavy means I will probably go with 110,I can always upgrade later.
Thanks everybody for the advice so far.
 

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