Anyone care to comment on this?

[EdinFlorida]

A failure and a Smith, seemingly. But ***??? Cases are crushed.


Part of me wants to say "fake".

Thoughts?

 

[jchapm9]

Obstruction, reloads,? You are a lucky man!

 

[EdinFlorida]

Not me. How would an (ie' "One") obstruction cause this?

Look at the casings, crushed?

 

[rct269]

Well, the best I could come up with was "HUH?!!!"

And now that I've thought about it some, and considered my life's experience, I can add "HMMMMMMMMMMMM?"-----AND I'm going to be extremely interested in a plausible explanation----none of which have come to mind; but I pretty much already said that.

It may very well prove to be embarrassing, but that's all I have right now.

Ralph Tremaine

 

[EdinFlorida]

I am beginning to lean more into the "fake" corner.

 

[s&wchad]

That looks like a non-pinned Model 19 with a 2-1/2” barrel. I moved this from S&W Antiques to the S&W Revolvers: 1980 to the present section.

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I doubt the photo is fake. The dented cases appear to be from the 10 o’clock and 2 o’clock chambers. The 12 o’clock chamber and fired case are long gone. A double charge of powder will blow the cylinder and peel the topstrap like that. Almost certainly reloads.

 

[Rpg]

Doesn’t look like a fake to me.

Looks like a big overload.

 

[EdinFlorida]

That looks like a non-pinned Model 19 with a 2-1/2” barrel. I moved this from S&W Antiques to the S&W Revolvers: 1980 to the present section.

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I doubt the photo is fake. A double charge of powder will blow the cylinder and peel the topstrap like that. Almost certainly reloads.

But
1) two cylinders are ruptured
2) 2 cases are affected and they are crushed, not blown to kingdom come.

Has anyone ever seen an overload result in a case being crushed? Should be the reverse, right?

 

[s&wchad]

See my edited post.

 

[ralph7]

Looks like a classic overload to me as well, how do you fake something like this?

 

[cmj8591]

Mothers Mag Polish isn't going to fix that!

That's pretty much how a revolver cylinder fails. I doubt it was an obstruction. The person doing the reloading probably used 15 grains of Bullseye instead of 296.

 

[Muss Muggins]

The cases that are crushed were not in the charge hole that exploded. They were crushed by the rapid expansion and disintegration of the charge hole that exploded, which also blew off the top strap. I suspect it was the first or last round fired, because a loaded round’s case would react differently than a fired round. But I could be wrong about that last part . . .

 

[P.44]

Looks like the result of "some over-pressure" to me

P.44
Sorry, the attached pdf is in German language,
but the pics are speaking for "the problem"

 

[M29since14]

Looks (sadly) real to me.

 

[rct269]

What the man said (reading between the lines) is the explosion forced material stronger than cartridge case walls into those walls-----which surrendered without any resistance worth talking about.

In other words, the explosion was at the 12 o'clock position, and the force of the explosion radiated out in 360 degrees------which is a rather simple concept if/when you think about it-----which I did---eventually-----with some help.

Ralph Tremaine

 

[BC38]

I 'd have to agree with S&WChad's and rct269's assessments. The cylinder that ruptured came apart so violently it ripped off the adjacent half of the cylinder on each side of it.

The cases that are crushed were not in the charge hole that exploded. They were crushed by the rapid expansion and disintegration of the charge hole that exploded, which also blew off the top strap. I suspect it was the first or last round fired, because a loaded round’s case would react differently than a fired round. But I could be wrong about that last part . . .

Looks to me like the round at 2 o'clock still has the bullet in the brass - the mouth of the brass isn't crushed in like the round in the 10 o'clock position. This makes sense since the one in the 10 o'clock position would have been fired just before the one in the 12 o'clock position was fired, and the one in the 2 o'clock position would still be unfired.

 

[jrm53]

I saw a 44mag Ruger blackhawk that looked very much like that at a gun range in Springdale, they said it was a double charge reload. It took the top strap off and the cylinder top was gone. They had it to wake reloaders up to what can happen. The funny thing was I used to shoot with owner in combat matches. jrm53

 

[Dieseltech56]

That’s impressive, hopefully the guy was wearing safety glasses.

 

[Sevens]

My guess is Titegroup. These days, it’s most likely to be Titegroup.

 

[k22fan]

This sums it up.

Looks like a classic overload to me as well, how do you fake something like this?

And now for some fun, hopefully without offending anyone.

[...] The person doing the reloading probably used 15 grains of Bullseye instead of 296.

Grabbing the wrong can of powder affects the whole lot. There is no bullet in the case that was fired before the overload so I suspect the problem is more likely not being able to count to one. One powder charge. Double and triple powder charges can be assembled on single stage presses but that's rare. It is only common using progressive presses.