Anyone carry in a Safariland ALS?

[rednichols]

BILL ROGERS IS A FREAKING GENIUS....................

Who could argue with that? One could do research:

Calif. Boy Fires Officer's Holstered Pistol - News - POLICE Magazine

Child fires officer's holstered gun at Minn. school

Investigation underway after officer's gun goes off in holster | CTV News Winnipeg

Police officer on duty accidentally shoots himself in the leg while trying to holster his gun

There are heaps more of these reports. In one, an officer sat next to another and the keys on his belt fell into his seatmate's ALS type holster; when the seatmate stood up the pistol fired. I don't try to keep track of all of 'em (but do have a very long list of Safariland lawsuits).

 

[seldon14]

Who could argue with that? One could do research:

Calif. Boy Fires Officer's Holstered Pistol - News - POLICE Magazine

Child fires officer's holstered gun at Minn. school

Investigation underway after officer's gun goes off in holster | CTV News Winnipeg

Police officer on duty accidentally shoots himself in the leg while trying to holster his gun

There are heaps more of these reports. In one, an officer sat next to another and the keys on his belt fell into his seatmate's ALS type holster; when the seatmate stood up the pistol fired. I don't try to keep track of all of 'em (but do have a very long list of Safariland lawsuits).

None of those mention the holster brand or make. One is an ND outside the holster.

 

[rednichols]

None of those mention the holster brand or make. One is an ND outside the holster.

Sure they do.

First item: states it is light bearing; know any other company that makes holster for them? Reader comments, because this is all so well-known:

"Dom @ 9/3/2013 3:34 PM
Prolly a safariland. A child's finger is small enough to get in between the holster and the gun to press the trigger. Ive tried it with an unloaded 23 in a 6378 with my pinky. Almost got it

Dom @ 9/3/2013 3:38 PM
On the lightbearing safariland holsters there is a significant gap that allows a pinky n or small childs finger to get to the trigger"

Second item, see above (know any other Level 3 maker, the term is Safariland's term):

"The holster was a department-approved level 3 security holster, with trigger guard, that typically cannot be touched or fired in the holster, but the child's small finger was able to reach inside."

 

[rednichols]

Third item: images show Safariland ALS. Safariland absolutely OWNS the uniform market in USA -- and Canada. The video shows ALS on all the officers. Video states it was the second incident.



Fourth item: images show Safariland ALS. Safariland also absolutely OWNS the uniform market in Australia; I see their holsters on every officer in these States --



Here's another, from a forum, just to twist the knife:

"I can and did pull trigger while gun is in Safariland ALS . . . ***", Steaz. Pistol-forum.com, 07 Oct 2016. 6378 ALS Concealment Paddle Holster (from a spreadsheet, you'll have to track it down yourself online).

And do these searches:

"Safariland docket". Google terms search returns multiple listings of Safariland product-related lawsuits on 2 pages. 31 Mar 2018

"Safariland lawsuits". Google terms search returns multiple listings of Safariland product-related lawsuits on 8 pages. 02 Apr 2018.

Bill is on record what his goal was/is for being in the holster business:

"Forrest Gump's Got Nothing on Bill Rogers". K. Wood, Recoil (Magazine), Vol. 13 Jul/Aug 2014. 'The real money was in duty gear'. .

 

[seldon14]

Blackhawk makes level 3 light bearing holsters.

Video wouldn't load for me but I'll take your word on it showing Al's holsters.

Those photos are both stock/file photos and don't necessarily represent the holsters from the incident.

Link 3 only contains one holster related discharge.

The 4th incident isn't holster related.

I'm not sure if you are intentionally misrepresenting these stories, or just didn't read them.

 

[rednichols]

I'm not sure if you are intentionally misrepresenting these stories, or just didn't read them.

Right back you.

 

[seldon14]

Right back you.

If any of my above post is in correct I'm perfectly open to evidence of such.

You posted 4 links as evidence of the ALS holster being flawed. Only one shows the ALS in use by the department for sure.

The others are using photos from a stock image library.

Two of the examples where discharges of the gun outside the holster.

You implied no one but Safariland made a level 3 light bearing duty holster. Seems like a holstorian should know that.

Odds are good that they where using ALS holsters as they account for so many duty holsters, but presenting these as "proof" of a flaw with the holster is intellectual dishonesty.

 

[turnerriver]

I don't see anyone being convinced here, time to move on.
Regards,
John Witty
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