sorry to ask a simple question.
which kit do i need for regular 9mm to reduce pull.
I don't know what the sear kit is for $40
https://apextactical.com/store/product-info.php?pid18.html
vs. the duty carry kit for 490
https://apextactical.com/store/product-info.php?pid35.html
also, i have no smithing experience except for cleaning. Is this something i can do simply myself, or should it be done by someone with lots of experience.
finally, with no safety, is this trigger pull a problem for carry?
thanks for the advice.
The first one does reduce it, also make it smoother. The 2nd one will make the pull harder, but it will be smoother and shorter. From my reading on this and other forums. I've read a fair amount of responses from Randy, owner and R&D guy for Apex Tactical on the FSS & Trigger. The FSS kit comes with the option of being a 5.5 lbs trigger, or you can go down to 4 or 3 lbs. With the Competition kit springs you can go down to 2 lbs even, but that's another addon from the main kit.
Now I do not have a holster for my M&P9L, but I put it in my pants numerous times (unloaded of course) and drew and I don't see how it would be that dangerous.
Not the same as drawing from a holster or most holsters I assume, my trigger finger was well away from the trigger. This 100% assumes you practice a lot. I do not, so I wouldn't even CC right now. My FSS & Trigger should be at the 3.0 lbs mark and I love it. For me, if I had a M&P9c or full size (really mid size at 4.25") I would consider carrying with the FSS & Trigger kit.
Only if I practiced a lot in the beginning and at least a couple times a week in my home for many years to keep feeling comfortable. Since I live in the cities. For me to practice, draw and shoot with live ammo I would have to go to my LGS & R (
Bills GS&R) and go in their 2nd range space for extra money (usually for police and I assume IDPA..), which I couldn't do now. IIRC it's around $80-100 to do that?
Just read this from Bills GS&R: Drawing from a holster or re-holstering firearms is prohibited unless you are a member of the following groups or agencies:
- Law Enforcement
- IDPA
- IPSC
So belonging to the handgun shooting sports does have it's advantages. Always wanted to see one of these, well outside anyways.
It also comes down to the
clothing that you have. Since you asked the question, I assume you're already covered by this, so this is for others that aren't carrying right now. I've watched videos like Magpul Dynamics - The Art of the Dynamic Handgun among a few others. If you practice enough and have the right clothes for the job then the FSS shouldn't be a problem. Any clothing setup that works for the Glock or similar should work just great for the regular M&P and one with a FSS and trigger. The new trigger in the FSS kit does have a better safety in the middle of the trigger than the original M&P. But can't remember how much better, or if it's more Glock like, I thought the original already was though.
Now if people are used to manual safety's like 1911's then it probably would make more sense to have the M&P with one with the FSS & Trigger. However if you've never carried a 1911 recently or anything similar then I wouldn't worry about a manual safety. You can learn the right way to do it with practice, or so I've read at other places from people using the FSS & Trigger in their CCW.
I've gone to the range once a month the last two months and very comfortable around guns (been using for little over 20 years, handguns 11 years), however when it comes to a holster and CCW (no permit yet, but took a class 10-12 years ago), I am not at all comfortable at this point. It wouldn't take me long at all to feel comfortable though, assuming I have the right setup (clothes and holster) for the season.
It's very easy to do on your own, if you watch the videos, and or other references. I would watch the Apex YouTube videos and others if you can find them. Then while your doing it I would have them up on your computer. I'd also go to Burwells site and download his M&P Trigger Job pdf file, should be around 46 pages. I actually went to local auto store and got 1000, 1500 and 2000 grit sandpaper and made a few smooth finishes following the Burwell M&P Trigger job. I didn't do one Apex part as it seemed already shined, but can't remember what that was from the the FSS kit.
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I should of added: If you have or plan on getting another M&P then I wouldn't hesitate to get the FSS & Trigger, can always put it in your range gun if you don't like it for a CCW. For anyone that doesn't know; you should also get a
good set of __Dummy Rounds__ and practice drawing with those, for any CCW. Since carrying with the FSS comes up a fair amount, after I bought it and dry fired over a few weeks before I got to the range. I questioned if I would use it in my CCW. Then for anyone asking it, or thinking about it, you should use that questioning as a sign that you should practice more with the FSS and Trigger. Even if others would never question it, it all comes down to your comfort level. Again buy the FSS & Trigger kit and get some dummy rounds and practice, practice, practice until you know that this will work for you. 11-12 years ago I questioned after I bought a Glock 23C with the 3.5 lbs trigger if it would be wise to use it as a CCW. With enough practice after selling it and not having a stupid C model for CC then I would of been just fine, even with a 3.5 lb trigger.
I went shooting this past Monday and an employee was shooting there with his friend. I gave him the M&P with the FSS and after his first shot he looked back in amazment on the trigger, he was very impressed. He has a nice Sig 1911 (.45) that I shot after, however my trigger was better. He carries it outside the waist on his belt, like all employees at the gun shop for protection, at least I think they all carry outside the waist there. So if anything if you don't feel right carrying it concealed then maybe you might have to buy a new M&P just for range duty
CDNN has the full size for $425 right now, from yesterday's email I got, let alone JetGuns and others.
I'm used to working with small springs and such being a locksmith so I think the apex install will be a piece of cake. Thanks you for your advice
