Hello all and forgive me if this question has been asked and answered before but as a new M&P .40 owner as yet unfired I had never heard of an apex trigger and wanted to know more about it and do they install this system or only sell the parts...I'm no gunsmith so I wouldn't feel comfortable digging into the bottom end of the pistol and would rather let someone that knows what they are doing do the work if I decide to do this... I don't want anything so hair trigger like on a pisol with no safety...I think thats how people with Glocks have AD problems due to their very light triggers...I only have one other striker pistol a Kahr PM40 but it has a very long almost revolver like trigger pull which is very different from the M&P which has a pretty good trigger to me as is so it might be best to leave it alone but I would appreciate some other more informed opinions....As always, thank you all...
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dougb1946
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Apex has good videos of the procedure. A small punch and maybe a needlenose pliers should do the job. The hard sear brings you down to 4 or 5 lbs pull. Visit their web site.
I have to disagree about the video's helpfulness, at least for a new owner.
The video assumes you know how to pull the sear block, and jumps into the demo with the block already removed. I had to have a friend show me how to do that; wasn't all that hard, but it was NOT covered in the video.
Installation of kits in two M&P's took my friend (with such assistance as I could give) around 40-45 minutes.
I recommend the kits, but would also recommend getting somebody who knows how to do it to show you how it's done.
The video assumes you know how to pull the sear block, and jumps into the demo with the block already removed. I had to have a friend show me how to do that; wasn't all that hard, but it was NOT covered in the video.
Installation of kits in two M&P's took my friend (with such assistance as I could give) around 40-45 minutes.
I recommend the kits, but would also recommend getting somebody who knows how to do it to show you how it's done.
just checked the apex tactical web site. it appears the cost w/b $150. plus shipping for the dcaek with their installation. if you buy the kit and install it yourself it's about $90.. I did my own installation and didn't find it overly difficult.
Why don't you shoot the gun first before you start redesigning it?
Not everybody finds it necessary to put a light trigger in an M&P for matches, and for carry many consider the stock trigger weight desirable.
You can always decide later after you get used to the gun and see how well you shoot it.
By the way, I had a fun day at the practice range today with my 4.25" barrel M&P 9 Pro, including head shot drills at 10 yds. Doing "6 reload 6" I was putting 11 or 12 in the head, with an occassional shot dropping down into the neck (called a follow-through error on my part).
The M&Ps are more accurate than most shooters.
Not everybody finds it necessary to put a light trigger in an M&P for matches, and for carry many consider the stock trigger weight desirable.
You can always decide later after you get used to the gun and see how well you shoot it.
By the way, I had a fun day at the practice range today with my 4.25" barrel M&P 9 Pro, including head shot drills at 10 yds. Doing "6 reload 6" I was putting 11 or 12 in the head, with an occassional shot dropping down into the neck (called a follow-through error on my part).
The M&Ps are more accurate than most shooters.
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I own 4 MP's, all have some form of Apex kit in them. I just installed the trigger kit in my 40fs, it's very nice. The trigger has virtually no travel for takeup, then it's bang. I carried it daily for a week, played with it alot, showed it to friends, shot 100 rounds through it before I decided I didn't want to carry it without some kind of safety. What I'm trying to say is we basically remove the built in safety of the long trigger pull for a carry weapon when we install the trigger kit. My 40fs is going to be a mainly range gun and my 40c with the DCAEK is my daily carry. I feel better with the longer take up before contact and a little heavier feel to the original trigger with my daily carry 40c.
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if you can hit with a Kahr trigger, you're going to be OK with the stock M&P trigger
i carry a K9 often but i also shoot 1911's a lot, so i like the Apex parts in my M&P's. i think you should shoot it for a while and then make your decision.
I have to agree wholeheartedly with OKFCO5! None of my M&P's have a kit in them, they got an action job one round at a time. Take the money that you would spend on a kit and get more ammo and shoot your gun. You will be amazed at what happens. Your gun gets dramatically better and usually you get better as well.
Randy
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My guns are all Ma compliant, my DCAEK kits are around 7lbs. Did you actually measure yours with a tool or it feels like 5lbs? My 40fs I installed the trigger kit into has about a 4-4.5lbs pull.
I have not actually measured. I'm estimating it's around 5.5 lbs.. I think I recall Apex saying it would be around 6 lbs.. It's dramatically better with the Apex kit in a Ma compliant gun.
Titegroups
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Where to start? Take it to the range and run a 1000rds through it. Seems we live in a world where somehow a person with a weapon with no experience decides they need to modify before even trying it in its stock form. I got a novel idea...actually shoot it then you can have some appreciation/knowledge of what you want to change and why.
DJBiker
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Obviously, you never shot a Ma compliant M&P..
Seems like the problem here is the MA compliant guns. Maybe it's the MA laws that make a 10 lb trigger necessary that is the problem.
I have Six M&P's, a FS9, two 9c's, two FS .40's, and the new .22. All of them, when new, had some grit to the triggers but after a few hundred rounds, they have broke in and are slick as glass.
I suggest that anyone that has a new pistol with a gritty trigger, go shoot the thing and leave it dirty for the first 1000 rounds. Let the thing break in, then clean it, lube it and after that let's talk about the trigger.
If you shoot 10 rounds and then clean it, it will take years to break in correctly.
M&P's are meant to be used, not stored. These are duty pistols that are meant to be shot, qualified with, trained with, used regularly. I shoot regularly and go through a few thousand rounds a year. I suggest that we all spend some time and ammo breaking in the guns before spending an additional 25% of the purchase price for a new trigger.
These are duty guns, not 1MOA target pistols meant to be shot at 100 yards or anything. If you want that weapon, you bought the wrong weapon.
Pepper
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Randy's DCAEK videos cover the sear block.
I want to thank everyone for their posts in regards to my question....For now I'm going to take the advise to leave it alone and shoot it until it breaks in real good and probably leave it as is and enjoy a great gun...I really think after dry firing it several hundred times that the trigger is not bad at all and I don't think it will affect my being able to hit the target one bit and without a safety I really don't want too light a trigger...This gun has spoiled me...I sent my full size 4506 back to S&W to fix a broken trigger return spring and to do a duty action job to its trigger and just got it back this week...The trigger doesn't feel any lighter but is smoother but the thing must have put on a few pounds back at the factory because now when I pick it up I feel like I'm lifting weights compared to the M&P...Thanks everyone again for informing me anout the Apex trigger and I now have an idea what it is and what it can do if I ever want to go with that option....
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What? What does maintaining a clean firearm have anything to do with the trigger breaking in?
I've put 500 rounds through my M&P. The trigger is fine without the trigger job and I clean it after each trip to the range.
