Approached by a cop

[The Big D]

Never id'd as CCW (to my knowledge!

) but I HAVE VOLUNTEERED I was was armed in certain instances.

These were usually when I was in a place where there was a protectee or a number of people who I knew were LEO's or otherwise lawfully armed personnel. e.g. Was at a Baltimore Orioles game a few years back when the POTUS made a visit. A USSS Special Agent was posted within a coupla feet of my seat. I advised her I was CCW...the reasons for that are obvious, I hope.

Be safe.

 

[Wyatt Earp]

Originally posted by armadillo:
Texas CHL holders are required to tell the officer. Section 411.205 says that if an officer requests identification, you must show both your DL and CHL. If you don't do it - the CHL can be suspended.

That's not what we are talking about when we discuss "mandatory notification".

In Ohio and many other states, you are required to inform a police officer who contacts you for official business that you are legally armed with a concealed handgun BEFORE the officer asks you about it. In fact, it needs to be the first thing out of your mouth as soon as he is within conversation distance. The flip side is that, in Ohio at least, if you are not armed you need not say anything nor show your CHL unless asked.

That is much different than having to produce a CHL along with your driver's license if asked for ID.

 

[500 Magnum Nut]

Originally posted by Smitty500Mag:No thanks I'll just do what the law allows and keep my mouth shut unless asked.
Smitty

Won't work here. Let's say you are carrying and your speeding down the road and a cop pulls you over. Cop asks for licence and insurance card. You comply with these documents ONLY.
The second cop is standing on your right side, in your blind spot, as the first cop is at your door. 2ND cop sees the butt of your 500.
In this state you will be pulled from your car, handcuffed in a not so nice fashion and searched. After they discover that you have a permit they will say "sorry buddy, didn't know you where a good guy". They will dust you off and then ask you to sit back in your car like nothing ever happened.
Nice way to ruin a suit. It's best to present them with your permit at the time of the stop with your other documents. Just my opinion...

 

[ladder13]

Bad as NY is, one is not required to show his/her CCL, and I for one won't.

 

[MSgt G]

Originally posted by Wyatt Earp:
The question presumes that the peace officer saw a bulge that made him suspicious and would ask if you were carrying a gun legally or not.

I guess what I was referring to in my previous post, Wyatt, is why would they ask if you're doing nothing illegal? If you're driving a car and doing nothing wrong you shouldn't be stopped just to ask if you're driving legally

. Carrying a gun, at least here in Georgia, is the same thing, you should never be stopped just to see if you have a Georgia Firearms License.

And rchance, I carry a .45 too, a Les Baer Commanche, or a S&W M&P, but I carry open more than not anymore. Completely legal here, which is probably why I've never been asked about having a license.

 

[ryles]

I don't believe it is legal to open carry in Georgia unless you have a Georgia Firearms License. Only legal to transport the gun to/from one location to another (i.e. in your car, etc.) to hunting, that kind of thing. I do not believe it is legal for you to walk down the street open carry without a GFL.

Ryles

 

[chainslinger]

just got back from a week long bike trip
fla ,bama,tenn,and georgia talked to a few leo's
not one knew i was packing
but that's the idea

 

[rchance]

I've read that too about not being an open carry state unless you have a ccw. I always thought you could carry open in georgia but according to their law I read you cannot carry openly unless you have a ccw.

Originally posted by ryles:
I don't believe it is legal to open carry in Georgia unless you have a Georgia Firearms License. Only legal to transport the gun to/from one location to another (i.e. in your car, etc.) to hunting, that kind of thing. I do not believe it is legal for you to walk down the street open carry without a GFL.

Ryles

 

[MSgt G]

In Georgia there is no CCW anything, it's a Georgia Firearms License (GFL), hence my remarks on the first page. You can legally carry concealed or open with it, and you shouldn't be stopped just to ask if you have a GLF. And, yes, you need a GFL to carry, period, open or concealed, with some exceptions of course.

Anyone in Georgia should join GeorgiaCarry.org, these folks have done a tremendous amount of work for our gun rights. There's also a link on their website for GeorgiaPacking.org where you can find the firearms laws for Georgia.

Originally posted by rchance:
I've read that too about not being an open carry state unless you have a ccw. I always thought you could carry open in georgia but according to their law I read you cannot carry openly unless you have a ccw.

Originally posted by ryles:
I don't believe it is legal to open carry in Georgia unless you have a Georgia Firearms License. Only legal to transport the gun to/from one location to another (i.e. in your car, etc.) to hunting, that kind of thing. I do not believe it is legal for you to walk down the street open carry without a GFL.

Ryles

 

[Loy]

In TX a DL# check will automatically pull CCL# up as well. It is very possible with the sharing of information between state and national levels that it shows wherever you go. My CCL instructor advised showing it anytime you are pulled over and my son (a cop) told me you are required BY LAW to show it with your DL whenever you are approached by an officer. Then advise the officer if I am packing or if I am not packing. Why aggravate the situation by not giving the officer the knowledge that I am a trained and licensed partner (even it is a small portion of being a partner) in the quest to stop those who would intentionally harm others.

Parson Colt...
What a vote of confidence by a LEO in that when he forgot to get his weapon he knew that you could be counted on to watch his back by having an extra weapon for him... maybe I will carry a backup as well!!! WELL DONE!!!

 

[Parson Colt]

Thanks, Loy. The LEO in question I met shooting pistol competition before he became a cop, and this is his 20th year on the job. We kill a lot of deer together, so he knows me better than most. On another occasion I backed up a different LEO hunting buddy while he braced a drug dealer who had been poaching on his hand and had threatened him. Another hunting pard, non LEO, and I covered him while the LEO invited him to hunt elsewhere. The guy never knew he had a 629 from the other hunter and a Super Blackhawk from me covering him while he tried to explain himself.

Btw, guys, in OK it is required that you show your sda license (Self Defense Act, our ccl) to any officer during a traffic stop. That's the only notification requirement.

 

[Wyatt Earp]

Originally posted by Loy:
Why aggravate the situation by not giving the officer the knowledge that I am a trained and licensed partner (even it is a small portion of being a partner) in the quest to stop those who would intentionally harm others.

A) The is no aggravation of a situation when one does not tell a police officer about firearms unless
1) The law requires you to do so upon his approach or
2) He asks

B) We are not partners in policing society. If I wanted to do that, I would apply for a job as a peace officer.

 

[ttpete]

I don't think he meant it that way, Wyatt. I think he meant that he was one of the good guys, and therefore a partner in being on the right side of the law, not an actual partner in police work.

 

[Loy]

A) The is no aggravation of a situation when one does not tell a police officer about firearms unless
1) The law requires you to do so upon his approach or
2) He asks

B) We are not partners in policing society. If I wanted to do that, I would apply for a job as a peace officer.

You are correct ttpete...

I am not a cop... I don't want to be a cop... and I never dreamed that my son would be a cop. That said, we are one of two types of people:

those who are ready in whatever way to help the cops

or those who in whatever way are the reason we need cops and people like you, Parson Colt, and even Wyatt Earp.

btw// Wyatt, while sounding like he is disagreeing with me actually agreed with me.

A) The is no aggravation of a situation when one does not tell a police officer about firearms "UNLESS"
1) The law requires you to do so upon his approach or
2) He asks

I may have used the wrong word when I said we are "partners". I was born and raised in TX and when folks are of the same mind around here then in a loose way they are our partners. If they are not of the same mind then they might be called a varmit. Now a fellar from Ohio may not understand some of my poor language but in the end he did understand my point just as you did.

In the end result if I see a bad situation and can not get out of it or I see a cop in trouble and there is no way around it I believe and hope that Wyatt, Parson, you, or another CCL is close around to even up the odds.

See you around pardner! You too Wyatt

 

[flop-shank]

If we as non LEO concealed carriers are willing to use our weapons and skills to back up law enforcement officers, the very real possibility of fratricide must be in the forefront of our minds.

 

[Loy]

fratricide

Whoa... had to look that one up.
fratricide
noun
The killing of one's brother (or sister).
A person who commits this crime.
(friendly fire)

Killing is not in the forefront of my mind. Protecting my family, friends and myself is.

LEOs have made a commitment to protect all of us. I do not believe that they will EVER need my help but if they are down and need help does that make me a criminal or murderer as this word implies?

As LEGAL concealed carriers we are committed to protect ourselves and our family from those who would try to take our lives. LEOs are committed to protect all of us from those who would try to take our lives. I hope I never feel the need to pull my handgun to defend against a threat but if needed and the LEOs are not there to handle the situation I will, without hesitation, protect myself and my family.
It will not be a crime....
it will be SELF-DEFENSE.

 

[flop-shank]

My point is this, if you involve yourself in a shooting situation trying to protect a LEO, be aware that initially he, in the confusion of the moment, may mistake you for an associate of the perp who is trying to kill him and open fire on you (someone who is on his side, he just doesn't realize it/his brother). If he doesn't shoot at you responding officers may. I'm just saying that anyone involved in a shoot of such a nature must be very mindful of friendly fire. Remember Pat Tillmann? In many of the training exercises I was involved in as a National Guardsman fratricide was a problem.

 

[repo33]

I found this info on GeorgiaPackin.org and called the Probate Court just to verify. I work at a repo/impound lot and wanted to make sure it is legal to open carry at work without a license. IT IS!

O.C.G.A. § 16-11-128
Carrying pistol without license


(a) A person commits the offense of carrying a pistol without a license when he has or carries on or about his person, outside of his home, motor vehicle, or place of business, any pistol or revolver without having on his person a valid license issued by the judge of the probate court of the county in which he resides, provided that no permit shall be required for persons with a valid hunting or fishing license on their person or for persons not required by law to have hunting licenses who are engaged in legal hunting, fishing, or sport shooting when the persons have the permission of the owner of the land on which the activities are being conducted; provided, further, that the pistol or revolver, whenever loaded, shall be carried only in an open and fully exposed manner.

 

[Wyatt Earp]

Originally posted by flop-shank:
My point is this, if you involve yourself in a shooting situation trying to protect a LEO, be aware that initially he, in the confusion of the moment, may mistake you for an associate of the perp who is trying to kill him and open fire on you (someone who is on his side, he just doesn't realize it/his brother). If he doesn't shoot at you responding officers may. I'm just saying that anyone involved in a shoot of such a nature must be very mindful of friendly fire. Remember Pat Tillmann? In many of the training exercises I was involved in as a National Guardsman fratricide was a problem.

All your problems are solved if you wear this

 

[Andy Taylor]

Originally posted by Wyatt Earp:

Originally posted by flop-shank:
My point is this, if you involve yourself in a shooting situation trying to protect a LEO, be aware that initially he, in the confusion of the moment, may mistake you for an associate of the perp who is trying to kill him and open fire on you (someone who is on his side, he just doesn't realize it/his brother). If he doesn't shoot at you responding officers may. I'm just saying that anyone involved in a shoot of such a nature must be very mindful of friendly fire. Remember Pat Tillmann? In many of the training exercises I was involved in as a National Guardsman fratricide was a problem.

All your problems are solved if you wear this

I know this was posted as tongue-in-cheek, but there are those who think these CCW badges are a good idea. And there are many who would sell them to make $$$ from that first group. wearing or carrying one of those badges is a good way to end up in the county jail facing a charge of impersonating a police officer. If you needed a badge with your CCW license, or what ever it is called in your state, you would have gotten it from the issueing agency when you got your CCW.