Here's what I decided to do. I got a red dot sight for my birthday a few months ago. We all know what happened when I mounted it. It was to low. The red dot showed up in the middle of my front post. Before I spend $$$ on another red dot. Today I ordered a medium height riser to mount my current optical on. I'll see how it looks. If it is the correct height, I'll check it out further. If not I'm only out $12 for the riser. Then I'll order the Bushnell TRS-25 Hi Rise.
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I generally agree.
On the other hand, if a guy doesn't really know what he wants it's tough to beat the Bushnell TRS-25 with riser for $70 on sale from Palmetto. If he doesn't like it he can take the riser off and toss it on a .22 pistol or whatever. If he does like it and wants to upgrade, he can still toss the TRS-25 on another gun and get an Aimpoint or EOTech. The versatility of the small Micro sights and removable risers makes an experiment a lot more justifiable.
Here's a PrimaryArms MicroDot (TRS-25 same difference) on one of my Rugers. It's at home on my 15-22 with riser or handguns w/o the riser.
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Yep, agree with Phil... if you go with a known good budget optic to simply try that style out, you can always upgrade and the budget optic can be mounted on a rimfire. A .22lr with a red dot is a lot of fun to shoot!
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I wish I had made a video like this of the Vortex SPARC I had. The parallax issue was truly dramatic. Not only did I verify it myself, but the guys at the store saw it and the engineer from Vortex concurred that it did it.
The thing about parallax with a 1x red dot is, you won't notice it unless you specifically look for it. In the SPARC it's not noticeable until the dot gets in the top 1/3rd of the lens. Most people won't notice this because it's not normally used there. Keep the dot in the lower 2/3rds of the optic and you'll never have an issue. This is probably why user reviews never mention it. Most average users don't know what parallax is and only a few of those that know about it, know how to check for it.
In Phil's video you can see the effects of parallax, but only when the dot gets right near the edge. You won't use it there anyway. Even my EOTech and my friend's Aimpoint Comp M3 have that same issue when you let the dot drift that far off center.
Update:
My riser came in the mail today. Mounted the optic I got for my birthday. With a little adjustment on the red dot ( few clicks to the right) its right on top of the front post. After the holidays are over I'll go sight it in.
Thanks for all your help everyone.
My riser came in the mail today. Mounted the optic I got for my birthday. With a little adjustment on the red dot ( few clicks to the right) its right on top of the front post. After the holidays are over I'll go sight it in.
Thanks for all your help everyone.
Well I took it to the range and sighted it in. All I can say is I love this rifle. I changed it up a bit from the way it came. Since this pic I re-mounted the light on the left. I opted for a TruGlo optic. Magpul furniture set I got for $60.
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Details on why you didn't like the TruGlo?
It would not hold a zero. We zeroed it and a few mags later it was off. Could have been defective. I'm not sure. Maybe my experience is a rare one. I like their other products. In fact I hav a couple of pistols with their sights on them and they've always been fine.
Maybe my verbage was a bit strong. I defer to someone else with more experience with that brand.
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QC issues with Chinese labor camp optics. Can't escape it.
One of the reasons Primary Arms got such a good reputation is that they do QC checks (or at least they used to) before sending to customer. I know they were checking the compact scopes that I bought for canted reticles to reduce griping and returns. Never known a vendor to do that.
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One of the reasons Primary Arms got such a good reputation is that they do QC checks (or at least they used to) before sending to customer. I know they were checking the compact scopes that I bought for canted reticles to reduce griping and returns. Never known a vendor to do that.
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Rastoff
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Not uncommon.
Yep, can certainly be problematic. It's one reason these devices go for such a low price.
In any manufacturing process, it's a game of how much quality can be built in for the lowest possible price? manufacturing techniques are developed specifically to reduce the need for a person to do quality inspections. Sometimes it works great, other times it's not so good.
Currently I feel lucky to have a Chinese optic that is working well. It cost $170. While I consider it "low end" others think it's expensive. Time will tell if it's a quality product or not.
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Its been my observations that most of the QC issues are out of the box. Something obviously broken, canted reticle, adjustments don't work or won't hold zero. Not always, but usually shows up right away. If they pass your initial inspection and first range visit, you're typically good to go from there.
Before I use any type of sight such as Scope, Red Dot, Iron sights, etc. I have learned to make SURE the sights are level with the Picatinny rail. I discussed this in another Thread on 2/7/15 "Question about rear iron sights". You need to make sure the scope reticle is level and that the Red Dot is level in the rings and mounts. 2 or 3 cheap little 3 and 4 inch bubble levels are a must for us older eyes. Factory defects do occur.
The red dot works well alone but if you have parallax problems then you have the scope too close to your eye.
I found this out the hard way. I tried to zero my TruGlo and it wouldn't hold zero that I researched on the parallax problems. I solved it by moving my scope up toward the muzzle.
I found this out the hard way. I tried to zero my TruGlo and it wouldn't hold zero that I researched on the parallax problems. I solved it by moving my scope up toward the muzzle.
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Hmmm, I'm not convinced this is true. Parallax issues are due to the way the optic is focused and how the internal lenses affect each other. The problem of parallax may seem less with the optic further from your eye, but I'll bet the results are the same at the target.
The red dot works well alone but if you have parallax problems then you have the scope too close to your eye.
I found this out the hard way. I tried to zero my TruGlo and it wouldn't hold zero that I researched on the parallax problems. I solved it by moving my scope up toward the muzzle.
Yes after that initial picture. I did place it as far forward as I could get it.
