susieqz
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i now have a auto transmission in my truck. can i jump start it like a manual?
i'm not into cars n trucks, but i did jump start my old truck.
i'm not into cars n trucks, but i did jump start my old truck.
Are revolvers going the route of manual transmissions?
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ParadiseRoad
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...you can jump start it with jumper cables...you won't have any luck push starting it though...many moons ago...the first automatics had a "rear pump" that would pressurize the transmission and allow a push start...
Backlighting
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So long as there are those, like me, who don't want the possibility of the mis-feed that semi-autos can have there will always be revolvers.
ParadiseRoad
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...Lethal Weapon...1987...the beginning of the end for the revolver as we knew it...yeah...a stupid movie...
..."That's some serious xxxx you carry.
Be my guest.
...15 in the mag...one in the pipe...
...wide ejection port, no feed jams.
What have you got?
Four-inch Smith.
Six-shooter?
A lot of old-timers carry those"...
..."That's some serious xxxx you carry.
Be my guest.
...15 in the mag...one in the pipe...
...wide ejection port, no feed jams.
What have you got?
Four-inch Smith.
Six-shooter?
A lot of old-timers carry those"...
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susieqz
Absent Comrade
thanks paradise. i now see manual transmissions are superior.
all i needed to start my old truck with a dead battery was a push or a hill.
if i had a hill, i needed no help.
all i needed to start my old truck with a dead battery was a push or a hill.
if i had a hill, i needed no help.
TAC
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I'm only 66, but I remember magneto ignition! No battery required.
ParadiseRoad
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...inertia starter...high gears from crank to flywheel...low gears from flywheel to engine...
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vNlQ_IZh6o[/ame]
AveragEd
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Yeah, but what other people buy still matters. LDThornton makes a good point. It would be nice if you could get it.
But I can't control what other people get.
Been there, done that. Also holds true for a bad starter on a weekend.
Wow! Two hundred and thirty posts in a thread that's only five days old.
Since this topic results, like many other controversial ones, in but a sharing of opinions I might as well throw mine into the ring.
I'm soon to be sixty-nine years old and got my first real gun (an H&R .22 RF revolver) when I was nine.
Since that time I've had a "few" other hand guns, both pistols and revolvers and have had a fair amount of trigger time behind both platforms.
I shot a 646 in IDPA SSR for years.
Then the speed loader folks got Uncle Bill's ear and convinced him to up the PF from 135 to 165 and create ESR. I then moved to a 4" 625. (I also shot a 5" 625 a little in USPSA.)
I shot SASS CAS for several years so I've got a little knowledge of single action revolvers also.
When I stopped shooting the 646 I had put about 15K rounds through it and about half that many through the 625s.
Through the years I've owned Smith revolver models 10, 14, 15, 18, 36, 60, 586, 625, 629, 640, 646, 686. I also had Dan Wesson revolvers, a 6" Python, an 8" Anaconda and probably some I can't remember just now and have enjoyed them all but the Python and Anaconda that remained NIB until I sold them.
I've had several J-Frames in both .38 and .357 including one of the first 640s that was rated +P+ and a 3" full lug M60 with adjustable sights.
For years I thought the ideal SD carry guns was a J-Frame and after the first wave of sales I still have a few J-Frames.
Now to the opinion part.
For me personally, and this is certainly ONLY my opinion, I think a revolver of equal power is more bulky and harder to conceal than a pistol.
For years I carried a number of different J-Frames in Galco Combat Master holster.
Yet, and again this is JUST me, I find that my 3913 in a Rosen 5JR is much easier to conceal.
When I got my first Tennessee handgun carry permit some 20+ years ago I wanted the smallest and most powerful handgun I could afford. It turned out to be a Star FireStar .40 carried in a Milt Sparks Executive Companion holster and that worked great for quite a while.
A few years back I decided to start thinning down the herd and sold about sixty-five guns. I had stopped shooting IDPA and USPSA so the 625s went.
I know that there are some who carry N-Frames but for me the 4" 625 was quite a hunk of steel to attempt to cover up, especially in warmer weather when lighter clothing is called for.
I still enjoy shooting revolvers and have a few left but haven't really carried one in a SD mode for years.
One thing that I hear repeatedly is the claim that revolvers are more reliable than pistols and some say that they would never trust their life with a pistol.
Having shot thousands of rounds through both platforms I do not find the pistol to be problematic IF you have a quality gun and know how to "feed" and care for it.
I shot a S&W PC1911 in IDPA CDP for a number of years and it went over 5K rounds before the first FTC and that was caused by a nick on the case mouth of a reloaded practice round and the PC1911s tight chamber.
For years my EDC was a custom Delta that I built and in innumerable factory and reloads it never malfunctioned once.
My current (off the farm) EDC is a S&W M&P40 PC Ported with a Trijicon RM07. I've shot this pistol almost 2,300 rounds with several factory and reloads and it has not had one single malfunction of any type.
My motorcycle pocket pistol is a M&P 380. I've shot it about 400 rounds with several factory and reloads again not a single malfunction of any type.
Another "revolver only" mantra I repeatedly hear is that folks shooting pistols only do so because they see police and military doing so and can't think for themselves. While there may indeed be some "crowd followers" shooting pistols I don't put much credence to that claim based on my own experience and that of some very knowledgeable pistol shooters.
With few exceptions I've bought every gun I've ever owned so I buy what I want. I'm pretty confident that the same applies to most reading this thread. Buy what YOU like and NOT what anyone else tries to convince you is best.
I suspect that as long as we are permitted to own guns here in the US that revolvers will have a good following. A fine quality revolver is a joy to own and shoot and they certainly make for reliable defensive weapons if they are of good quality and properly cared for.
However, they are not the only good choice nor are they the best choice exclusively for everyone.
James
Since this topic results, like many other controversial ones, in but a sharing of opinions I might as well throw mine into the ring.
I'm soon to be sixty-nine years old and got my first real gun (an H&R .22 RF revolver) when I was nine.
Since that time I've had a "few" other hand guns, both pistols and revolvers and have had a fair amount of trigger time behind both platforms.
I shot a 646 in IDPA SSR for years.
Then the speed loader folks got Uncle Bill's ear and convinced him to up the PF from 135 to 165 and create ESR. I then moved to a 4" 625. (I also shot a 5" 625 a little in USPSA.)
I shot SASS CAS for several years so I've got a little knowledge of single action revolvers also.
When I stopped shooting the 646 I had put about 15K rounds through it and about half that many through the 625s.
Through the years I've owned Smith revolver models 10, 14, 15, 18, 36, 60, 586, 625, 629, 640, 646, 686. I also had Dan Wesson revolvers, a 6" Python, an 8" Anaconda and probably some I can't remember just now and have enjoyed them all but the Python and Anaconda that remained NIB until I sold them.
I've had several J-Frames in both .38 and .357 including one of the first 640s that was rated +P+ and a 3" full lug M60 with adjustable sights.
For years I thought the ideal SD carry guns was a J-Frame and after the first wave of sales I still have a few J-Frames.
Now to the opinion part.
For me personally, and this is certainly ONLY my opinion, I think a revolver of equal power is more bulky and harder to conceal than a pistol.
For years I carried a number of different J-Frames in Galco Combat Master holster.
Yet, and again this is JUST me, I find that my 3913 in a Rosen 5JR is much easier to conceal.
When I got my first Tennessee handgun carry permit some 20+ years ago I wanted the smallest and most powerful handgun I could afford. It turned out to be a Star FireStar .40 carried in a Milt Sparks Executive Companion holster and that worked great for quite a while.
A few years back I decided to start thinning down the herd and sold about sixty-five guns. I had stopped shooting IDPA and USPSA so the 625s went.
I know that there are some who carry N-Frames but for me the 4" 625 was quite a hunk of steel to attempt to cover up, especially in warmer weather when lighter clothing is called for.
I still enjoy shooting revolvers and have a few left but haven't really carried one in a SD mode for years.
One thing that I hear repeatedly is the claim that revolvers are more reliable than pistols and some say that they would never trust their life with a pistol.
Having shot thousands of rounds through both platforms I do not find the pistol to be problematic IF you have a quality gun and know how to "feed" and care for it.
I shot a S&W PC1911 in IDPA CDP for a number of years and it went over 5K rounds before the first FTC and that was caused by a nick on the case mouth of a reloaded practice round and the PC1911s tight chamber.
For years my EDC was a custom Delta that I built and in innumerable factory and reloads it never malfunctioned once.
My current (off the farm) EDC is a S&W M&P40 PC Ported with a Trijicon RM07. I've shot this pistol almost 2,300 rounds with several factory and reloads and it has not had one single malfunction of any type.
My motorcycle pocket pistol is a M&P 380. I've shot it about 400 rounds with several factory and reloads again not a single malfunction of any type.
Another "revolver only" mantra I repeatedly hear is that folks shooting pistols only do so because they see police and military doing so and can't think for themselves. While there may indeed be some "crowd followers" shooting pistols I don't put much credence to that claim based on my own experience and that of some very knowledgeable pistol shooters.
With few exceptions I've bought every gun I've ever owned so I buy what I want. I'm pretty confident that the same applies to most reading this thread. Buy what YOU like and NOT what anyone else tries to convince you is best.
I suspect that as long as we are permitted to own guns here in the US that revolvers will have a good following. A fine quality revolver is a joy to own and shoot and they certainly make for reliable defensive weapons if they are of good quality and properly cared for.
However, they are not the only good choice nor are they the best choice exclusively for everyone.
James
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The automatic transmission just went on my 2007 Jeep Wrangler, 59,000 miles. It will be $4000 to fix. I'm sticking to manuals and revolvers from here on out. People I wish I was kidding, $4000 from 3 different shops.
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My father-in-law owns a 442 J frame and literally cannot hit a large person size target from 10 feet away. He can at least hit it with his Glock. The only time I'd feel safe with him unholstered is with his Glock.
Does that help you any?
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For starters, let me say that I'm a huge fan of automatic transmissions. Yes, I can drive a stick and have driven many of them, even back in the days when my left leg got tired from holding down the clutch. (Them little Japanese cars sure made clutches easier!) However, I really didn't like spilling my coffee on the way to work and am sold on automatic transmissions.
When I later bought a handgun (after receiving a death threat), the clerk at the gun store correctly sized me up as a guy who really didn't want to fool with guns and recommended a revolver for their hassle-free reliability. He had a used Smith 38 snubbie, which I bought and came to love. Remarkable to me was how simple the contraption was. I could look at it and figure it out. The mystique of guns disappeared from my brain and it turned out that I was a pretty good shot.
Fast forward to my move to a foreign country, which necessitated selling my Smith in the US and eventually buying a rough replacement where I live now. I picked up an old Smith Victory 38, which I don't really recommend, but then again it was affordable, I don't have any more death threats, and it seemed at least something to have around the house in case.
My problem was that I needed to take tests to receive a permit, including a shooting test, and 9 mm semi-automatics were issued to the test takers. I had never shot a semi-auto and honestly didn't know how they worked. I therefore watched a YouTube video prior to the test that explained how to shoot a semi-auto and hoped all would go well.
It ultimately did, but when the cop giving the test handed me the gun, he told me to load it. Holy ****, I had not watched a video showing me how to do that and had no idea. He rolled his eyes and showed me, assuming that he had a failure on his hands. (And amazingly, something like a third of the test takers did fail in being able to hit a piece of typing paper 7 out of 10 times at 7 meters.)
As it happened, I shot my first 7 through the center of the target (OK, only one was a direct hit inside the quarter-size bullseye) and set the gun down on the counter knowing that I had passed. He looked at me, confused, and said that I had to shoot all 10, since I guess those were the rules. Actually, I missed the typing paper target on one of my final three shots, though teased the cop that it had gone through the hole in the bullseye. He still marveled at my accuracy and patted me on the back.
My experience (based upon 10 shots total) is that the semi-auto was very easy to shoot straight. In fact, it was easier than my old Victory, which with its huge fixed sites leaves me wondering how exactly to aim. However, I can't say that I'd like to own a semi-auto. For me, they're too complicated. I like that I can look at a revolver and figure out exactly how it works.
It's a bit like putting computers in cars. Yeah, they probably help when they work, but when they don't work, what are you going to do?
And I don't drink coffee while shooting, so that's not an issue.
I think if I shot regularly and all that, I might prefer a semi-auto, but for me a revolver is best. It's the workhorse of handguns.
When I later bought a handgun (after receiving a death threat), the clerk at the gun store correctly sized me up as a guy who really didn't want to fool with guns and recommended a revolver for their hassle-free reliability. He had a used Smith 38 snubbie, which I bought and came to love. Remarkable to me was how simple the contraption was. I could look at it and figure it out. The mystique of guns disappeared from my brain and it turned out that I was a pretty good shot.
Fast forward to my move to a foreign country, which necessitated selling my Smith in the US and eventually buying a rough replacement where I live now. I picked up an old Smith Victory 38, which I don't really recommend, but then again it was affordable, I don't have any more death threats, and it seemed at least something to have around the house in case.
My problem was that I needed to take tests to receive a permit, including a shooting test, and 9 mm semi-automatics were issued to the test takers. I had never shot a semi-auto and honestly didn't know how they worked. I therefore watched a YouTube video prior to the test that explained how to shoot a semi-auto and hoped all would go well.
It ultimately did, but when the cop giving the test handed me the gun, he told me to load it. Holy ****, I had not watched a video showing me how to do that and had no idea. He rolled his eyes and showed me, assuming that he had a failure on his hands. (And amazingly, something like a third of the test takers did fail in being able to hit a piece of typing paper 7 out of 10 times at 7 meters.)
As it happened, I shot my first 7 through the center of the target (OK, only one was a direct hit inside the quarter-size bullseye) and set the gun down on the counter knowing that I had passed. He looked at me, confused, and said that I had to shoot all 10, since I guess those were the rules. Actually, I missed the typing paper target on one of my final three shots, though teased the cop that it had gone through the hole in the bullseye. He still marveled at my accuracy and patted me on the back.
My experience (based upon 10 shots total) is that the semi-auto was very easy to shoot straight. In fact, it was easier than my old Victory, which with its huge fixed sites leaves me wondering how exactly to aim. However, I can't say that I'd like to own a semi-auto. For me, they're too complicated. I like that I can look at a revolver and figure out exactly how it works.
It's a bit like putting computers in cars. Yeah, they probably help when they work, but when they don't work, what are you going to do?
And I don't drink coffee while shooting, so that's not an issue.
I think if I shot regularly and all that, I might prefer a semi-auto, but for me a revolver is best. It's the workhorse of handguns.
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Or the follow up movie with the 9mm "cop killahs" that could shoot through bulldozer blades.
ParadiseRoad
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Susieqz, only if you are at the top of the hill!
...back in high school I had a Jeep CJ2 with a 283 Chevy in it...I could push start it myself...run along side...then jump in and shove it in 2nd a drop the clutch...would have been bad if I ever missed and fell back out...
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