Auto Caliber Chambered Revolvers

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Just out of curiosity I was wondering what everyone thought about revolvers chambered in Auto calibers, like .45 ACP, 10MM, .40 S&W, and 9MM. For the most part, I look at them as novelties with a niche with the exception of the 940 9MM S&W, which is probably going to earn a spot in the rotation of my carry guns.

I have always been fascinated by these guns from a historical perspective and commercial perspective. I have in my collection, a S&W 1917 in .45 ACP, a 610 Pre-lock S&W in 10MM/.40 S&W, and I recently picked up a S&W 940 in 9MM and I've had the Taurus 905 in 9MM. It seems that most of the manufacturers have toyed around with the 9MM in a revolver at some time or another. S&W with the 940 and 547 (which I also want at some point in the future), Ruger with the SP101, and Security Six, Charter with the 9MM Federal, and Taurus with its on and off availability of the 905. The 9MM revolver in particular seems to be popular, but it never taken off commercially even though the ballistics out of a J-Frame seem to be a nice fit for the cartridge.

The S&W 940 was picked up with the original box and 5 moonclips. I took it to the range and I am very pleased with this gun. It's easier to shoot than .357 Magnum out of my 640, and about as stout to shoot as 38 SPL +P. Muzzle flash is MUCH lesser, and the gun is accurate, easy to shoot (did I mention that already, yup I did), and ammunition is easily available all over the place. Much more so than is typical for .38 SPL nowadays and typically cheaper with a better bullet selection. I carry it with the Hornady 115 Grain XTP bullets and it handles nicely. This will probably replace my 640 as my main Back Up Gun.

The Tarusu 905 was a lemon, I found metal shavings in the action that were causing some binding. I cleaned it out and then more shavings were found. I sent it off to Taurus for repair and it came back "fixed" but since I had lost confidence in the gun I promptly sold it. I bought it because at the time it was the only available 9MM Revolver still in production. It's gone now.

The S&W 610 is a recent acquisition as well. I had the 4 inch variant with the lock, but did a straight up swap for a 6.5 inch barreled pre-lock variant. I see no real purpose for this gun, as a Glock 20 or even my 1076 serve the 10MM role better as they are smaller and both have more capacity for the weight (which is saying something for the 1076) However, shooting .40 S&W out of this gun is simply a giggle-getter, while 10MM full bore loads are handled with authority. This gun, while kind of a novelty, simply brings a smile to my face and that's enough to satisfy the "why" I have this gun. I have no intention of ever carrying this gun. It's definitely one in the collection where folks go, "HUH?"And as such, is simply a cool gun to have and I'm glad to have it considering S&W's "on again off again" affair with the 10MM Revolver. The 610 in particular can't seem to find traction. In its first run, it didn't even make the S&W catalog so it's production run was short. They re-introduced it a few years ago, it didn't really do so well as it was recently dropped from production again, and I've also learned that the 310 Nightguard was just dropped.

The S&W Model 1917 is my oldest auto caliber chambered revolver. It's a joy to shoot and it scratches that "C&R" itch that I often have. This gun was created as a stopgap measure to outfit troops in WWI because Colt 1911s couldn't be made fast enough. They were brought out in WWII as well for the same problems. Thus, these guns often show an inordinate amount of use. I shoot it sparingly since it's an older gun. I actually like .45 Auto Rim for this revolver as I don't need a moonclip for extraction. Felt recoil on this is like opening a bottle of champagne, it even sounds the same when shot. The light barrel is also something nice, I'm not sure if I like the full underlug that's so common ever since the 686. However, I might pick up a 625 at some point to join this revolver as it's simply a damn cool gun to have.

This is kind of a niche market at best, but it's been one that I have enjoyed getting into. Now, if I can find a 646 chambered in .40 S&W, I'll be a really happy camper.

Anyway, here's some eye candy and please let me know what you think of the whole niche market of auto-calibers in a Revolver. From top to Bottom: S&W 1917, S&W 610, and S&W 940. These are my auto chambered revolvers. The 940 is the only one I see with any kind of practical applications. The rest are fun to shoot and serve as something neat that I simply wanted.

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I shoot a 686 and 627 in 38 Super and a 625 in 45 ACP. Great guns for the pistol games with speedy mooncliped reloads.
 
I've owned a bunch of .45 acp N frames. Always end up selling them. One of these days I may send off a 642 to TK and have it set up for 9mm.
 
I like them. I have a chopped 1917 Brazilian, an Austin Behlert custom 25-2 snubby, a 646, and a custom 9mm 360J.

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I took a brake from shooting in the late 80's. I returned to shooting 3yrs. ago. I did some reading to see what I had missed out on during that time (alot :)). Anyway, I decided to consolidate my purchases around the 9mm round. I only need a few good guns. So far I have spent around $3000 for guns and ammo. Mostly ammo. 9mm, 22LR and 7.62X39. Everybody should have a good revolver in their collection. The 547 3" is my choice. Kel-Tec's sub2000 S&W 9mm carbine and S&W59 round out my S&W group. All are good guns. I want to add one more 9mm revolver. I'm holding out to see who comes up with the next best thing.
 

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WC145,

That 646 simply looks awesome!
How long have you had it and how did you acquire it?
 
WC145,
That 646 simply looks awesome!
How long have you had it and how did you acquire it?
Thanks. I bought the 646 at the Bangor gun show a 2 or 3 years ago, got a very good deal on it. The Altalmont grips are from my L-Comp, I have the original S&W/Hogue grips in the box.


Who did the work on your 360?
Pinnacle High Performance Guns did the caliber conversion and also did an action job, 1/2 bobbed the hammer, polished and radiused the trigger, chamfered the forcing cone, and replaced the front sight with the fiber optic. I had Robar coat the cylinder with NP3.
 
I just don't agree that revolvers chambered in .45ACP are novelty items or niche guns. The Models 25 and 625 in all of their iterations have been wildly popular sellers for Smith for decades, and for good reason: .45ACP has turned out to be a superb revolver round and the 25/625 series has been a wonderful platform for these rounds. My 625JM is remarkably accurate with about as much recoil as a mid-sized revolver chambered in .38 special. Moon clips, which sound like a potential problem, turn out to be an asset when one learns how to use them properly. Anyone who's watched one of those Jerry Miculek video clips will know that it's possible to reload a 625 using moonclips faster than one could ever reload a revolver with speedloaders or faster even than changing magazines in a semiauto.
 

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Just out of curiosity I was wondering what everyone thought about revolvers chambered in Auto calibers, like .45 ACP, 10MM, .40 S&W, and 9MM. For the most part, I look at them as novelties with a niche with the exception of the 940 9MM S&W, which is probably going to earn a spot in the rotation of my carry guns.

Well, here's another perspective to consider.

While the calibers you list were conceived for, and have certainly found greater usage in semiautos than revolvers, I actually look at it another way. I think these calibers are actually MORE SUITED for revolver use than the "traditional" revolver calibers. Why? Because they enable the easy usage of moon clips, which in my thinking are the ultimate "built-in speedloaders". ;)

I personally prefer revolvers to semiautos for a number of reasons, including but not limited to ease of recovering my brass for reloading. It gets tiring searching around for brass ejected every which way by a semiauto, while the moon clips are a nice balance between capacity, speed of reload, and easy recovery of brass.

About the only situation I can think of that I'd actually prefer shooting these calibers in a semiauto would be a combat situation where someone else was buying the ammo, I wasn't concerned with saving my brass for reloading, and I needed additional capacity and even faster reloading than moon clips provide. Luckily, I don't find myself in that situation. :)

Of the calibers you mention, by far my favorite is the .45ACP. I've toyed with the idea of buying a 610 in .40/10mm, but in addition to the premium price they're bringing these days, another reason I talked myself out of it is that if I'm going to be carrying an N-frame, and it only holds six rounds, I may as well stick with .45ACP!

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I’m pretty sure the 625-3 here is the most fried gun I own, and I bought it well used. It is very plesent to shoot and when shot at things that reflect the power / energy transfer like bowling pis it makes me smile even more. I would stake my life on this gun for sure.
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This 625-10 is a light little powerhouse with a really nice trigger but, the recoil is surprising for a mild mannered cartridge. It gets carried much more than it gets shot.
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This 25 is the best bowling pin revolver I have ever had. Many people think the ported 45 is not a help but I disagree. It is fast to recover and if you screw up and miss it reloads quick.
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The 610 is a nice shooter but seems a bit to heavy for the way I like to shoot.
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The other moon clipped gun I have is the 8 shot 627. Not an auto round so the reloads are slower but the feel and balance of this gun is right on for a fighting revolver.
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The 940 is the only one I see with any kind of practical applications.

Unless you are taking the position that competition and self defense are not any kind of practical applications, I see no reason for this statement.

The 625 .45 ACP is the king of USPSA revolver and IDPA/ESR, not to mention ICORE and other pistol competitions. I watched Mr Miculek in a match shoot-off using a 625 against a 1911 champion, and Mr Miculek won!

I have a 646 which I used with success in IDPA before the 2005 rule change gave advantage to the 625, and I prefer it in ICORE.

Last match, several Army shooters were interested in the old dude with the antique gun. On a particularly challenging "penalty magnet" stage, I heard one of them remark as I shot clean and showed clear, "Well, so much for revolvers being slow."

Having shot revolvers since I was issued a M15 in the USAF, I prefer a clip revolver as a house gun.
 
I would like the 610 but that's cause it fires 10 and 40.
My last semi auto was a FNP40 so I kinda miss the round.
 
I have a couple 625's, a model 1917 and a 610. I really want a 547 and 646 now. I also got an extra cylinder for my 627 that I am going to have converted to 9 mm when I get around to it.
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Amen there Stevieboy! The IMHO, only novelty about revos that shoot rimmless cartridges is those who view them as novelties. The 45ACP, 40 S&W in 'clipped revolvers can compete against many who shoot the 1911's in IDPA and other competitions. They are fast, accurate and a real pleasure to run with. It is one thing to collect them, but another to rely on them. I am a revolver guy!
 
IMO S&W is missing the boat a bit in regards to semi auto caliber revolvers. I have a 6 1/2 inch 610 and a 625 JM and have found moon clips revolvers to be the best thing since sliced bread. Moon clips are cheap so I can load up a bunch of them before heading to the range and spend most of my time shooting. Then I takes the clips home with the casings in place, so I don't ever lose a fired casing.

Then there is the matter of cost. If you don't reload, 45 ACP costs the same or a bit less than 38 spl. So, you get a bigger bang for your dollar and a better caliber for Defense. I also purchased my 610 specifically due to the cost of ammo, at one point during the "ammo droubt" the 40 S&W cost me 6 dollars a box less than 38 spl. and it's still 4 bucks a box cheaper in my area. If S&W offered a 9mm specific version of the 686 I'd have at least one in my collection and probably two.

Fact is that rimless centerfire ammo is the most popular and as a consequence it's also much less expensive than rimmed ammo. If S&W were to offer more revolvers in the semi auto calibers and keep them in the catalog I believe that in time they'll start drawing new shooters into the revolver fold. While I do enjoy shooting my semi's, I do a lot more shooting with my revolvers because I enjoy them more and you can't beat the trigger control they teach you.
 
Since I started shooting the 1911 in 45 ACP in 1967 I have always been a 45 ACP kind of guy. I became a 44 Mag kind of guy in 1970. So soon after I got a S&W Mod 25 in 45 ACP.

I used it for Bullseye Matches and later as a work gun.

I think a 45 ACP S&W revolver is the best BIG revolver for a person if they do not need the power of a 44 Mag.

A coupe of years ago I got a 325 Night guard, from a buddy.

It runs 100%, and since I am familar with reloading with full moon clips it has become one of my favorites. I keep it under my pillow EVERY NIGHT.
I cannot give it any higher a recomendation than that.

Even as light as it is, I find it most controlable with 230gr 45 ACP as well as +P 185gr 45 ACP.
 
I love my 610...quite possibly the favorite of the guns I own. I love that I can shoot my 40 S&W reloads out of it and the trigger is awesome. Really fun to shoot.
 

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