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A twist on Bloomberg's latest call to close the "terror gap" - his new catchphase for "gun show loophole"

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Mayor Michael Bloomberg called upon Congress to act immediately to close the terror gap citing the recent failed bombing in New York City.

Faisal Shahzad, the alleged Times Square bomb plotter, in his failed attempt to detonate an Improvised Explosive Device, used the "car sale" loophole to purchase a vehicle in a private transaction. According to anti-car advocates, this is just another example in the long list of bad guys behind the wheel.

"These unregulated exchanges of vehicles must end. We must close the automobile loophole to end the terror gap," railed the NYC Mayor

Bloomberg and other anti-car crusaders want federal law to dictate that car owners can only sell or buy vehicles through federally authorized car dealers.

"It is too easy to buy a car in this country!" complained the Brady Bunch. "Listing cars for sale in the wanted ads and having these cars shows is just inviting death by auto."

Despite any evidence that cars purchased from individuals are more likely to be involved in vehicular deaths, the Brady Bunch contends that traffic accidents and the use of cars by criminal thugs will end if private auto sales are prohibited.

Car haters also point out that gasoline was also used as a component of the fail incendiary IED in Times Square and that gasoline siphoned from cars has been used in incendiary bombs all over the globe. "Studies show that the vast majority of cars used in crimes contain much more gas than crime weedeaters, leaf blowers, and chain saws combined," Bloomberg added.

Anti-car advocates also want to ban any auto with more than 4 cylinders or 140 horsepower. They reason that the maximum speed is 65 miles per hour and only the police and the military should have access to any vehicle that can exceed 65 miles per hour.

"If we continue to allow the sale of cars that can go fast, criminals will continue run from the police. If fast cars are banned, criminals won't try to escape or evade law enforcement," Bloomberg argues. Sports cars, coupes, and convertibles should be designated as "assault vehicles" he claims.

Banning fast cars and the private sale of autos goes way to far, argue mobility proponents and car owners.

"The freedom of movement is a natural right. Man has nurtured mobility through the ages: from homo-erectus' first walk to the domestication of camels and horses to the trike to the automobile, man has been free to have the means to move about," argues car owner and American history professor I.B. Wright. "The automobile is as American as apple pie."

John Q. Public, father of three with the eldest daughter about to enter college, agrees with Wright. A proud member of the National Automobile Association (NAA), Public has been driving and fixing cars for over thirty years. "Driving is a way of life and I like to work on cars in my spare time," Public grinned. "My father taught me about cars when younger. My pops got the habit from my grandfather and now my son learning to drive."

While he has never been fortunate enough to have a classic car collection, he is glad to have at least one classic car in the garage. "This was my grandfather's car. He bought this Ford when he came back from WWII. My dad and I worked on it together for many years. It's an heirloom. I hate to sell it, but we need the money."

With tuition and fees looming, every penny helps. "We need the extra money for Sarah's schooling. If I can't get fair market value for the Ford, we won't have enough for books and supplies," Public explained. "No car dealer will pay me as much as this will bring in at the car auction or in the want-ads."

"There is no reason to punish law-abiding car owners" says NAA spokesman Tengo Razon. "It shouldn't be a crime to sell your pick-up to your neighbor, buy your sister's minivan, or auction a family heirloom"

"Why punish me?" asks Public. "I just want to get a fair price so I can help with my daughters schooling. I'm all for arresting bad guys behind the wheel, but selling an antique at the car show isn't causing criminals to drive."
 
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OMG - And they missed Diesel being used in bomb manufacture? Most bombs are detonated using batteries, btw!!!
Only pedal cars should be allowed to be sold and driven here in the USA!!!!
These NY politicians are just too darned liberal for me!!!!!
 
Well, I can see the auto dealers all getting behind that idea. Just like the sorry gun dealers who support such legislation. Its done for the oldest of reasons, greed.

Where I live the legislature made it really tough on private sellers of autos. They put the burden on the private seller to insure the car. For as long as it takes for the new owner to register it in his name. There's no way out.

When my one son crashed his Buick about 20 years ago, we had it towed to the junkyard. The junkyard owner got to keep it for the towing bill. Not an issue. Then about a year later, he fixed it and sold it to someone. That person wanted the title. Go figure? They apparently needed my signature. I was just a little upset, but agreed to go with them to the courthouse if they'd do it when I could get off. They declined, instead preferring my signature. No dice.

They got a bit nasty, so it just seemed logical to return the niceness. I told them that as far as I was concerned, it was stolen!! :D Then I explained that they can't drive it without license plates. If they're driving it, I need to insure it, which I was willing to do while the police looked for them. Suddenly they got all cooperative. Its out of my name, they can do as they please.

Yes, private sales of a highly registered and controlled item like a car is a pain. But banning them will increase the price about 40%, the normal profit the car dealers make. The same thing would happen with guns. Or does happen in the non-free states.
 
That is a good piece of satire, however, a summary of the real testimony is worth reading. The only 'Terror Gap' I can detect is the one between Loonie Bloomie's ears.

Take this quote:
"Weapons sales to suspected terrorists are not hypothetical either. According to new statistics compiled by the Government Accountability Office and exclusively obtained by the Huffington Post, individuals on the terrorist watchlist were involved in firearm or explosives background checks 1,228 times in the past six years -- and 1,119 of those transactions were allowed to proceed."

Wouldn't a sane person read this and conclude that background checks are a waste of time and taxpayer dollars?

NYC Mayor Bloomberg Outraged; Will Call Congress Out On 'Terror Gap'


......moon
 
That jerk was on the news this morning with the police chief echoing him on gun control.Doesn't he see that N.Y. is unarmed and that might be another reason to pick N.Y.as a target?

D.G.
 
Doesn't he see that N.Y. is unarmed and that might be another reason to pick N.Y.as a target?

Arm the street vendors. They're NYC's first line of defense.
 
Bloomberg's idea is...

...really a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
The most dangerous weapon is the human mind and imagination. Like Kipling wrote that a boy with a cheap rifle could match a professional soldier in most cases were true.
Yes, this knucklehead was a rank amatuer (sorry spelling, I know...) but had it went off, could've still done a lot of damage and casualties.
Fact is, ANYTHING can be made, modified, or used as a weapon regardless of original design and purpose.
Just ask any prison guard...
 
That jerk was on the news this morning with the police chief echoing him on gun control.Doesn't he see that N.Y. is unarmed and that might be another reason to pick N.Y.as a target?

D.G.

I saw the same news report and it really had me shaking my head. All I could think was what on earth does Gun Control have to do with some nut job leaving a Bomb in Times Square? So far I have not seen one single report that this terrorist had one single gun of any description. So, what the heck will more gun control do to reduce Terrorist acts like this? Absolutely nothing, however Blooming Idiot and his Parrots couldn't resist spouting off about how Gun Control will stop Terrorism.

Sadly, when 911 took place our government had no problem with people going aboard the aircraft with box cutters while any good citizen with a CCW was denied any chance of stopping that act of Terror.

Fact is, more Gun Control won't do anything about stopping international terrorism. For those who don't believe this, all you have to do is look at what happened in Mubai, India, a country with very rigid gun control measures in place. Terrorist don't care one bit about the Law, so gun control won't do thing one to stop them.

What stops them is when an alert member of the public sees something suspicious and makes sure the Police respond. In this case, an alert street vendor saw something and made sure the Police followed up.
 
Scooter123,Did you like the part where the police chief after agreeing with mr mayer went on to say how his officers were trained with three types of weapons.Made me feel all safe and fuzzy.

Who found the vehicle?Not the cops but a vendor.

Don't get me wrong,Some did a great job and I salute them.But it sure wasn't the mayor or his buddies.

D.G.
 
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Ban writers/authors. I read Tom Clancy's books long before 911. He gave them the idea. Debt of Honor (different Nation and target but...)
 
Why would he waste time worrying about guns and cars, when just ANYONE can buy KILLER SALT almost ANYWHERE???!!!
 
I have no respect for some bozo who has more money than God and is able to use it to get elected mayor of a large city he doesn't know how to run. If he's gonna be mayor of NYC he needs to mind their business instead of ours. It's amazing what you can do with a few million bucks of private campaign money. I guess whoever has the most billboards wins. Sheeple are so gullible.
 
Today Bloomberg testified before the Senate (Lieberman). His pitch today was that anyone on the "No-Fly-List" should not be permitted to buy a firearm.
Lieberman seemed to agree with Bloomberg.
This very bad idea has been floating around in liberal circles for some time; the Times Square thing may give the idea a boost.
(Note: The list is secret, it is unclear what authorities with what evidence puts someone on the list or how you can get off if a mistake is made, in other words the very antithesis of due process.)
 
Saw a clip of him being interviewed by Katie Couric a day or so ago. He said the Times Square bomber could have been motivated by anything and maybe they were unhappy with the new health care plan. Tells you all you need to know IMHO.

Bob
 
I posted this bit of satire in jest, but it seems Bllomberg and his ilk are gaining traction with this "terror gap" nonsense.

Is your name:

James Robinson?
Robert Johnson?
Gary Smith?
John Williams?
Edward Kennedy?
John Lewis?
Daniel Brown?
James Moore?
Robert Campbell?
David Nelson?
John Anderson?

or the same or similar to any of the other 1 million plus names on the watch list?

If so, you may soon loose your 2A rights.

Our country's watch list system is grossly bloated and unfair with over a million names -- including many unlikely suspects -- and not very effective as a security measure.

To be effective, and to be fair, terrorist watch lists must be tightly focused on true terrorists who pose a genuine threat.

The uncontroversial contention that Osama Bin Laden and a handful of other known terrorists should not be allowed on an aircraft is being used to create a monster that goes far beyond what ordinary Americans think of when they think about a "terrorist watch list." Now, it is proposed to be used to prohibit firearms purchases.

In May 2009, the Inspector General of the Justice Department found that 35% of the nominations to the lists were outdated, many people were not removed in a timely manner, and tens of thousands of names were placed on the list without predicate.

We can't have terrorist watch lists that affect people's rights without due process -- the right of innocent people to challenge their inclusion through an adversarial proceeding and get off the lists. But no such system has been created.

Bloated watch lists waste resources and divert their energies from looking for true terrorists. In a report from the Virginia Fusion Center leaked in April 2009, it was revealed that at least 414 encounters between suspected al-Qa'ida members and law enforcement officials were documented in the Commonwealth in 2007. Few believe there are actually more than 400 al-Qa'ida members in Virginia; more likely there were just 400+ false alarms related to bad watch list data -- which wasted innocent Virginians' time and distracted law enforcement from their mission.

The use of this bloated list with all its problems as a method to restrict a Constitution right is simply wrong. No one wants terrorists to be able to buy guns - and anyone on the list who isn't a citizen (or LPR) can't buy a firearm under current law anyway. Anyone on the list with a criminal background cannot buy a firearm under current law anyway. Anyone on the list who tries to buy a gun outside of their home state will be denied anyway. The use of the list to prohibit firearms purchases will only adversely affect US Citizens - many who are on the list by mistake or have a name similar to someone on the list.

Should those US Citizens with names suspiciously similar to someone on the terrorist watch list also be prohibited from voting? have their rights to free speech revoked? not be entitle to petition for redress? be subjected to cruel and unusual punishment? forced to quarter soldiers?

How many Constitutional rights do we want to take away because a name (or similar name) is on a bloated and dysfunctional government list??
 
I agree, further most of the people on the list have apparently not committed any crime, at least yet. They are persons of interest. There is no real standard for what it takes to be put on the list. While the late Sen. Edward Kennedy may have been guilty of many things he does did meet the standard definition of terrorist.
So how do you have your name removed? Just like the sloppy system for getting on the list, evidently the system for getting removed is a mystery.
In connection with the Times Square Bombing the person of interest was only put on the list 11 hours before the flight and long after the crime.
So this whole thing is a Red Herring to further the gun control agenda.
 
Any law restricting the purchase of automobiles would not affect me, so why should I care? My primary transportation is a motorcycle. Once the anti-car people get the restrictions they want, they will leave motorcycles alone. I got nothing to worry about.
 
Any law restricting the purchase of automobiles would not affect me, so why should I care? My primary transportation is a motorcycle. Once the anti-car people get the restrictions they want, they will leave motorcycles alone. I got nothing to worry about.

Quite right. Thats why I don't care about the whinney nicotine fiends. The do-gooders won't bother us fatties.
 
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