Barrel/Cylinder gap fix question

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Have a 625 PC with a very close cylinder gap, very frustrating to shoot. Can’t slide a .01 feeler gage through them. Was gonna take it to Andy Horvath to have him open up the gap to a minimum of .006 or .008. Gonna be at least 35.00 to 50.00 to fix.

Just sitting and wondering why I can’t drag the cylinder “face down” on a “flat” piece of wood on some sand paper and shorten the cylinder .005 tp .006 gradually going to finer paper towards the end. It’s stainless so nothing will rust. Maybe start with 220 grit, then 320 etc down to 600 grit. Larry
 
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$50? With what ammo costs these days, that seems like nothing. If you end up having to replace the cylinder if you mess it up, you’ll likely spend more than that with no idea what type of gap will result.
 
Just sitting and wondering why I can’t drag the cylinder “face down” on a “flat” piece of wood on some sand paper and shorten the cylinder Larry
I'd be more inclined to take a little off of the barrel extension than try to work on the cylinder face. If you're good with a file and can file it square, that seems like a whole lot less work.

IIRC, Brownells has the tool for doing just this but it would end up costing you more than the $50 if you were to take it to Andy.
 
There is likely some endshake that needs to be fixed. If so, you can do that with a couple of endshake washers and not file anything. Clean well under the extractor before checking endshake.

You will not get the cylinder or barrel square doing it by hand. If the face of the cylinder needs to be shorter, that's a lathe job. If the barrel shank needs to be shorter, there's a back counterbore tool for that.
 
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As noted above you do NOT want to shorten the cylinder. If anything needs to be changed (which maybe it doesn't as noted above) you trim and clean up the breach end of the barrel. And by the way $50 is a very reasonable price for that work.
 
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I would suspect that something else is going on! End shake, possibly something has loosened up? I know S&W has shipped lots of sketchy revolvers lately, but even they should have noticed that! Have it checked out - resist the temptation to sand down the face of the Cylinder until you really know whats going on. Metal can't be put back if you make a mistake.
 
First check your end shake. Press the cylinder all the way to the rear and see how thick of feeler gauge will slide between cylinder face and barrel extension. If it is say .006 pressed back and .001 pressed forward you ave .005 endshake and 2 .002 shims will give you .005 clearance and a proper .001 endshake.

IF you have no end shake and .001 clearance the next think to check is your headspace or rear gauge. With new cases check how much space is between them and the recoil shield at the firing pin. If it is more than .010 you could adjust it by carefully removing metal from the face of the ratchet until it is, then add cylinder shims because this will cause endshake. The max headspace between a .060 rim and the recoil shield is .014 or between rear face of cylinder and top portion of the recoil shield of .074. There are a lot of revolvers out there with max or more head space BTW


If the head space is fine the correct fix is to shorten the barrel extension about. .003-.004.
You can do this fine tooth double cut file. First take the file to a grinder and remove the serrations on both sides so only the flats cut. Then place a piece of duct tap on the back strap above the barrel extension. With cylinder removed, place the gun's barrel in a padded vice so the frame open is above the vice. Lay the file flat on the face of barrel extension and keep it flat as you stoke in the files cut direction. Lift file move and move it back. Place and stroke it flat again. Complete 10 strokes in this manner. Install cylinder and check the gap again. I doubt it will have increased more than .001. It is slow going. Keep at it until you have .004 with cylinder pressed forward. I have done this and it takes time and patience.

The only secret is keeping the file dead flat with even pressure on it. If you are worried about going out of square start your feeler gauge from both sides.

I have the tool that slides down the barrel and both bushings and cutters that do this. Mostly I use that to check myself for square because it leaves fine chatter marks and I get a smoother face with a file.

Anyone who believes this cannot be done properly with a file is uneducated on the proper use of files and what can be done with them. I will bet good money that the old skilled craftsmen that hand fit S&W revolvers often used files to put the finishing touches on the barrel face.

Your plan for taking down the cylinder would work. But first you would need to remove the barrel bushing. You would also need a heavy piece of glass or a granite stone to place your sandpaper on. Once again the trick would be to hold the cylinder dead flat while you stroked it across the paper. It would actually take a lot of strokes even on 220 paper to remove .004.
 
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Thanks so far on the answers, needed opinions. The money isn’t a problem, just the hassle of driving out there twice and not having the revolver for 1 to 4 weeks. Andy has built 4 custom 32’s for me over the years and corrected some problems on others or shortened barrels. His number is on my phone contact list!!!

Thanks Steelslayer, now I can correctly check end shake and head space. I’m sure using a file, the forcing cone length would still be OK. Larry
 
Ya if you take off just .004 or so the amount of change to the forcing cone opening is very very small and will not be a problem

PS on blue guns I stick a very thin piece of stainless in the gap over the top of barrel to keep file from marring it. An old razor blade would also work
 
First check your end shake. Press the cylinder all the way to the rear and see how thick of feeler gauge will slide between cylinder face and barrel extension. If it is say .006 pressed back and .001 pressed forward you ave .005 endshake and 2 .002 shims will give you .005 clearance and a proper .001 endshake.

IF you have no end shake and .001 clearance the next think to check is your headspace or rear gauge. With new cases check how much space is between them and the recoil shield at the firing pin. If it is more than .010 you could adjust it by carefully removing metal from the face of the ratchet until it is, then add cylinder shims because this will cause endshake. The max headspace between a .060 rim and the recoil shield is .014 or between rear face of cylinder and top portion of the recoil shield of .074. There are a lot of revolvers out there with max or more head space BTW


If the head space is fine the correct fix is to shorten the barrel extension about. .003-.004.
You can do this fine tooth double cut file. First take the file to a grinder and remove the serrations on both sides so only the flats cut. Then place a piece of duct tap on the back strap above the barrel extension. With cylinder removed, place the gun's barrel in a padded vice so the frame open is above the vice. Lay the file flat on the face of barrel extension and keep it flat as you stoke in the files cut direction. Lift file move and move it back. Place and stroke it flat again. Complete 10 strokes in this manner. Install cylinder and check the gap again. I doubt it will have increased more than .001. It is slow going. Keep at it until you have .004 with cylinder pressed forward. I have done this and it takes time and patience.

The only secret is keeping the file dead flat with even pressure on it. If you are worried about going out of square start your feeler gauge from both sides.

I have the tool that slides down the barrel and both bushings and cutters that do this. Mostly I use that to check myself for square because it leaves fine chatter marks and I get a smoother face with a file.

Anyone who believes this cannot be done properly with a file is uneducated on the proper use of files and what can be done with them. I will bet good money that the old skilled craftsmen that hand fit S&W revolvers often used files to put the finishing touches on the barrel face.

Your plan for taking down the cylinder would work. But first you would need to remove the barrel bushing. You would also need a heavy piece of glass or a granite stone to place your sandpaper on. Once again the trick would be to hold the cylinder dead flat while you stroked it across the paper. It would actually take a lot of strokes even on 220 paper to remove .004.

Right on. I’ve had light strikes on several s&w’s (especially j frames), that are near the top end of the headspace limit. I have also shortened the barrel this way several times. So many are out of square to begin with!
 
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Just checked it and no endshake. Didn’t check headspace, will be Andy’s job. Cleaned the BC gap just to make sure it was clean with no lead. A .003 gage fit.

Can I use fired 45 cases on a clip for a headspace check? I shoot only lead thru my 45’s, auto and revolver. Larry
 
You should be able to use your normal loads to check head space. But on a 45 acp from the rear of the cylinder itself to the face of recoil shield should be about .100 Around .030 more than a rimmed cartridge cylinder because of the need for the clip. Clip .040, 45 acp rim .049 + .010 max clearance. although I think the spec max is actually .014 A rim is supposed to be .060 (except 455 British) .060 +.010=.070

But if you have an honest .003 B/C gap on every chamber of the cylinder, it should be OK for 50 rounds or so before you foul enough to drag there.

Sending it to a good revolver smith is an excellent plan.
 
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Good info, thanks. Gonna call Andy soon to see if he will be home to drop off the 625. What a shame from the PC, I think it’s a -8 with the 5.5” barrel that has hand honed Ballard rifling.

Will see if Andy can clean and possibly lighten triggers on a Victor Sarasqueta 20ga side lock shotgun. Trigger pull is about 8-10 lbs. Hope cleaning will help if he can do it. Larry
 
Good info, thanks. Gonna call Andy soon to see if he will be home to drop off the 625. What a shame from the PC, I think it’s a -8 with the 5.5” barrel that has hand honed Ballard rifling.

Will see if Andy can clean and possibly lighten triggers on a Victor Sarasqueta 20ga side lock shotgun. Trigger pull is about 8-10 lbs. Hope cleaning will help if he can do it. Larry
PC means nothing. Just a marketing gimmick now days . Looked at one of their 627’s a couple of months ago . The rear sight channel was cut crooked in the top strap . Easy to see with the naked eye .
 
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