littleriver1
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What's the difference between Bullseye and BE 86? I know what the website says which isn't much.
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venomballistics
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oh .. its about the same difference between bullseye and blue dot
MichiganScott
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Doubt you could get those velocities with Bullseye.
There is actually a lot of data for it, and it is a damn good powder..
Closer to Unique than Bulllseye.
Alliant Powder - Reloader's Guide
Closer to Unique than Bulllseye.
Alliant Powder - Reloader's Guide
WHY did they come out with?
The burn charts say that Alliant in order of burn rate is:
Bullseye
Red Dot
American Select
Green Dot
Unique
So I guess BE-86 is between Green Dot and Unique. Why did Alliant feel like they needed to fill that gap. I hear a lot of people say they don't like Green Dot that much.
The burn charts say that Alliant in order of burn rate is:
Bullseye
Red Dot
American Select
Green Dot
Unique
So I guess BE-86 is between Green Dot and Unique. Why did Alliant feel like they needed to fill that gap. I hear a lot of people say they don't like Green Dot that much.
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Has anyone shot BE86 ?? !!
All here say as far as I know................
We need some pictures and fps readings ??
All here say as far as I know................
We need some pictures and fps readings ??
Maybe its really GD minus the dots?
I find that GD works just fine in certain loads, especially heavy bullet 45 Auto.
I find that GD works just fine in certain loads, especially heavy bullet 45 Auto.
I have used BE-86 in 9mm,357 Magnum, 40 S&W and 45 ACP. It is a very good powder. In previous posts about BE-86 I have given some chronograph data for 357 Magnum and 45 ACP. It meters very good and is very consistant through a Powder measure. According to Allilant the burn rate of BE-86 falls between Unique on the fast side to Power Pistol on the slow side. It meters much better than Unique and burns cleaner. IMHO BE-86 would make a good replacement for either Unique or Power Pistol. Load data is available on the Alliant Web site and in thier 2014 load manual. If you get a chance Try It I think you will like it.
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Thank you. I'm going to try it as soon as I can find some.
noylj
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OP: did you really think that BE-86 was Bullseye?
BE is the lab reference term that Alliant uses for all their bulk non-canister pistol powders. Power Pistol was originally a BE-## powder (84 or some such). If BE-86 was Bullseye, then it would be labeled Bullseye.
Obviously, with todays reloaders not caring about accuracy and judging powders only on metering and cleanliness, Alliant needs to bring out powders that meet this new demand--as are all the powder companies.
So, right now Alliant has Unique (a universally excellent powder), BE-86, and Power Pistol all filling almost exactly the same niche, for all intents and purposes.
PS: Green Dot is and always has been not only an excellent shotgun powder, but a very good and useful pistol powder.
BE is the lab reference term that Alliant uses for all their bulk non-canister pistol powders. Power Pistol was originally a BE-## powder (84 or some such). If BE-86 was Bullseye, then it would be labeled Bullseye.
Obviously, with todays reloaders not caring about accuracy and judging powders only on metering and cleanliness, Alliant needs to bring out powders that meet this new demand--as are all the powder companies.
So, right now Alliant has Unique (a universally excellent powder), BE-86, and Power Pistol all filling almost exactly the same niche, for all intents and purposes.
PS: Green Dot is and always has been not only an excellent shotgun powder, but a very good and useful pistol powder.
rsrocket1
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Actually, BE-86 is closer to Power Pistol (at least that's the company line) with less flash.
As for the "Dot" powders, I heard that when they test the burn characteristics of their generic flake powder, if it falls in the Red Dot range, it gets the red flakes added to it. If it burns faster, it is sold as Clay Dot or e3, if slower, Green Dot and bulk leftover is blended to produce Promo. They are all fairly close enough in burn characteristics to be plausible.
^^Take the above with a grain of salt. It's interesting to speculate how powders are produced and marketed. I only wish there was more of it around for us to use.
As for the "Dot" powders, I heard that when they test the burn characteristics of their generic flake powder, if it falls in the Red Dot range, it gets the red flakes added to it. If it burns faster, it is sold as Clay Dot or e3, if slower, Green Dot and bulk leftover is blended to produce Promo. They are all fairly close enough in burn characteristics to be plausible.
^^Take the above with a grain of salt. It's interesting to speculate how powders are produced and marketed. I only wish there was more of it around for us to use.
I'm having trouble finding the Average Volume Density for BE-86. I emailed Alliant to see if they can help with it. I use LEE equipment and emailed them both to see if they know. Anyone here have any idea?
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If you look at the very limited load data for BE86 you will notice it is identical to the BE loads for same caliber / bullet weight / bullet type. I have a few pounds of this stuff and intend to use the BE load data. Will call Alliant before executing on my assumption.
noylj
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Why would you need to? Take a known "volume" as marked on the dipper or disk, determine what the charge weight it throws (after getting the measure settled) and do you own calculation of CC/gn or gn/CC.
MichiganScott
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Say what?
I really don't care if I have to trickle each load and spend two days cleaning the pistol after each range session if I shoot one hole groups.
Don't judge all reloaders by what you read on the internet.
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Originally Posted by noylj View Post
Obviously, with todays reloaders not caring about accuracy and judging powders only on metering and cleanliness,
About accuracy....................
I have noticed that with all the people shooting this powder.....
there has been not one target good enough to have it's picture taken and posted ?
However it is probably clean...............that's a good thing. Right ?
Originally Posted by noylj View Post
Obviously, with todays reloaders not caring about accuracy and judging powders only on metering and cleanliness,
About accuracy....................
I have noticed that with all the people shooting this powder.....
there has been not one target good enough to have it's picture taken and posted ?
However it is probably clean...............that's a good thing. Right ?
I have many, but they are at home, can post them tonight if wanted.
I have not had a pistol yet that did not like BE86.
I have used this powder in 38,357,45acp,44mag,45colt. all with good to great results.
I have said it before, I don't even change powders when target loading, if I have CFE, BE86, or Autocomp
in the hopper, I just change the charge, and keep going.
I have not had a pistol yet that did not like BE86.
I have used this powder in 38,357,45acp,44mag,45colt. all with good to great results.
I have said it before, I don't even change powders when target loading, if I have CFE, BE86, or Autocomp
in the hopper, I just change the charge, and keep going.
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New guy here and found this thread most interesting. I've been using Bullseye, but just left a local gun show with a 1lb jug of BE-86. I'm always a "Nervous Nellie" getting out of my comfort zone. (Bullseye) So I'm finding all of your comments about BE-86 most informative. Presently loading Nosler 135 JHP's for target practice and concerned about switching to this "new powder." Current loads:
40S&W
Bullseye
Nosler 135 JHP
5.6g
OAL 1.085
Any suggestions as to an equivalent load with BE-86??
40S&W
Bullseye
Nosler 135 JHP
5.6g
OAL 1.085
Any suggestions as to an equivalent load with BE-86??
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