Rastoff
US Veteran
I agree that .45 is a better self defense round, but that isn't what you were talking about. You said that in the snow belt a round had to penetrate more clothing. If that's the criteria, the 9mm is better at doing that.
9mm vs. 45 ACP, Why I chose to carry the 9mm - YouTube
Listen to the instructors explanation. He's shooting a non moving target and no adrenalin rush!
I agree that .45 is a better self defense round, but that isn't what you were talking about. You said that in the snow belt a round had to penetrate more clothing. If that's the criteria, the 9mm is better at doing that.
First, don't take what I say as being negative towards your post or any comment you've made.
I've seen that video before and it shows one person's ability with a 45. What the instructor says reveals he would be inadequate with a 45 as well. That target is also very, very close.
I've shot quickly that close before and I usually get one small ragged hole no matter what caliber I'm shooting. I'm not boasting my ability or falsifying it in any way, but if you can't get a very tight group, shooting rapidly from a few feet away , it may be time for some more practice or to re-evaluate your shooting fundamentals. If someone doesn't improve with practice, then that caliber is obviously to much for them. If there is plenty of practice and the recoil is manageable, then it's a gun or ammo issue, but it shouldn't be an excuse for not practicing or getting used to a gun.
I start my targets out at 12-15 yards minimum since my closest range doesn't allow them to be any closer and I can shoot quick and accurate with all of my 45s, so I'm not sure if this video proves anything really.
I've been shooting since the army taught me 46 years ago. Some of what you say is valid. I shoot me carry shield just about once a week, that is the gun I want to be most familiar with and proficient. The factor that is overlooked is adrenalin! You may shoot one ragged hole at the range but when the target has a gun big difference. Just my opinion I respect yours.