Been Reading Some Disturbing news

Skeet 028 said:
About the only thing I used it for was 41 mag and they put out a notice to stop using it in the 41. As far as nitro cellulose...they can make all they want..but if it gets sold on the world market...you won't be able to buy what you may really want. Nitrocellulose is a strategic commodity. The Russians need it right now. BTW the sale of Vista to CZ..Does that include Alliant??(Hercules)
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I'm not sure, but Vista seems to really want to hold onto lake City, which is or was ATK
 
Pretty certain Winchester is running Lake City now. I think they have 6 or 7 year contracts or something that they bid on. Federal did have the contract last time. Right at this time we really don't have but about 2, maybe 3 companies in the US that produce powder...I don't know how many may produce nitrocellulose. At one time we had about 7 powder producers. Until recently I did not realize that nitrocellulose was a strategic product...sold on wprld markets. I also read that even Russia buys most of their nitro from China

BTW during WWII the US supplied 90% of the powders used by the allied countries maybe more
 
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Suprised nobody's mentioned it. A couple of months ago, China stopped selling nitrocellulose and antimony to US customers, and greatly increased its sales to Russia. Further comment on self-inflicted vulnerabilities from outsourcing would likely have the moderators ordering me to wash my mouth out with soap.
 
rwsmith said:
Honestly I don't buy the war in the Ukraine being the cause. There have always been wars going on, mostly involving the US. It never put a damper on reloading until the suppliers decided that they wanted it to be in short supply so the could sell less for more. Primers are the same.

ANYWAY, I do hope this lets up, but I fear that any political shake up is going to just make things get worse.
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Yep. I've been saying it for years and many called me a conspiracy theorist. From 2001 to 2021 we were literally in the Global War On Terror, and BILLIONS of rounds were being used for training and duty purposes. And I was getting cases of .223 to my door for less than $200, and while I only started reloading in 2013, I recall seeing shelves full of primers and powders. The Covid hit and the manufacturers saw that people would pay $150 for primers, so now that prices are "down", they know most would be happy to pay $80 instead of the $35 we paid a few years ago.

yes, I know things are more expensive, but not 150% higher.
 
The sticker price on my 03 Ford F-250 Diesel was right at 40 thousand Same truck today would be twice that or more. Primers at the time were around 25-30 dollars. ...maybe a bit less. by 2010 Obama in office they were selling if you could ge them for 60-70 dollars. I sold a hundred thousand at a gun show at normal for 30 bucks a 1000...in an hour or two 1000 per person...22 Ammo was selling for 45-50 dollars per 525 bulk packs...and we still had 4 American primer makers and they were about as scarce as now. ...Now we have 2 primer makers sellers. Primers are 70 to 100 dollars.. Yeah.. I'd say we had a bit of the conspiracy theory going on but not as bad as many think. We have done part of it to ourselves over the last two or 3 shortages though...with people doubling or tripling their investment on their price and we were buying. . My wholesale seler feels just as we do..we are being gouged...but as he also said...part IS our fault. The conglomerates that put companies out of business by buyout rape and ell out was part of the problem as was the realization that the new owners could raise prices on the commodities they made and with no pushback. ...The old POGO saying..we have seen the enemy and he is us. Another problem we have is GOVERNMENT over regulation...try to build a new powder plant or a primer production business..every 3 Letter agency in the government will be standing in your way...and even if successful the cost of doing business has tripled or more and yep we outsourced ourselves with so many things no lead mining or smelting Who makes nitrocellulose in this country today? Hell Steel making in this country is all but illegal. We would lose WWII now
 
Time will Tell

I too seen all this Gouging transpiring and
did not buy. My other thoughts were on
having too much.

Now with two Gun Ranges opening in 2025
I buy any deals I stumble upon, not listening
to anyone trying to get me to suspend my
purchases.

My next purchase is a Garmin chronograph
that’s more important right now.
 
Racer X said:
cellulose and nitric acid, and then dry the cellulose. there is no 3rd step. except don't blow up. it's a pre Civil War tech process. aka gun cotton.

we tried it for a side air bag inflator propellant at work for a while. never got it to work right.
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Actually, I think the recent US elections may bring some of the conflicts to a rapid conclusion.
But we need to build up our ammunition stockpiles as quickly as we can since we have sold off or given away most of what we had.
 
rustythread said:
Suprised nobody's mentioned it. A couple of months ago, China stopped selling nitrocellulose and antimony to US customers, and greatly increased its sales to Russia. Further comment on self-inflicted vulnerabilities from outsourcing would likely have the moderators ordering me to wash my mouth out with soap.
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I posted the article about this in September and no one seems concerned about it. Hopefully we can now “work a deal” with China and get that supply flowing again. I’m sure China would hate to have to pay higher tariffs on imports to the U.S. A threat to do that can go a long way. As a money expert was saying about a month ago, if you threatened China with 400% tariffs on imports to the U.S., their representative would be here in 48 hours trying to work a deal.
 
China doesn't care. Russia will buy all they can get. They need it. Why did the buy Artillery ammo from NK? shortage of NC.
 
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rwsmith said:
Vernon Speer got his start making bullets jacketed with rolled out .22 brass cases in WWII because of the shortage of guilding metal. Wish he was still around. Finding ways AROUND shortages instead of creating them.
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The Corbin company that has made lead swaging equipment was in business for years, and may still be.
They sold tooling for making smaller caliber jacketed rifle bullets from empty .22 LR. brass and lead cores.
This info does not answer questions on powder and primers, but might save you enough money on bullets to help buy high-priced primers and powder.
 
jsfricks said:
I posted the article about this in September and no one seems concerned about it. Hopefully we can now “work a deal” with China and get that supply flowing again. I’m sure China would hate to have to pay higher tariffs on imports to the U.S. A threat to do that can go a long way. As a money expert was saying about a month ago, if you threatened China with 400% tariffs on imports to the U.S., their representative would be here in 48 hours trying to work a deal.
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I like the idea of tariffs in some situations.
The question then becomes “do we need them more than they need us” ?
 
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Prices won't be coming down. That will be the result of higher tariffs. If it's made here then maybe some wiggle room but very few things are these days. Don't be betting on lower ammo and component prices....ever.
 
Hopefully higher tariffs will save more American jobs. Nope won't make prices go down.. But I'd rather pay more for stuff made here. We in this country led the world in goods produced..We now have more people and less of almost all types of jobs...cept Mickey D's and Coffee house barristas. You all know..fast food jobs
 
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