Being a good shot you could fail to get your CCL !!

[Whitwabit]

Took the Utah conceal carry class over the weekend and found out something very interesting about the Illinois Conceal Carry Qualifying ..

While taking a break I was taking to one of the instructors who was also teaching the Illinois CCL course .. If your a good shot you could fail the shooting qualification part of the class and thus fail the course and would have to pay to take it again ..

How you say !!! The instructors have been told by the Illinois State police who run the show they have to count the holes !! so if you key hole all 30 shots in a 3 inch circle you would fail .. as there is only one hole ..

You have been warned !

He said that some good shooters have failed because of that .. I don't know if other instructors tell their class that but his group does .. the class I was in wasn't told that .. so spread your shots over the target a little bit so they will all count .. and not to shoot just at the center bulls eye ring ..

I scored 28 out of 30 when I took mine and didn't say any thing to the Deputy Sheriff who taught the class about the missing shots .. and where we shot the heater vents were blowing the target back and forth about 10 inches was why my shots were spread out a little more then I usually shoot .. or my group would have been much tighter .. and I might have failed the class !! my last groups at the range I go to were 10 shoots in a 1 3/4 inch group at a 3 x 1 7/8 bull at 30 feet ..

So if your going to take the Illinois CC class be sure to spread your shots out a bit when qualifying !!! Then all your shots will count toward your score !!!

 

[Backlighting]

I had no trouble spreading my shots with the off hand, unsupported. lol

 

[rwsmith]

not worried a bit

I've had SOME shots go through the same hole, and I have no worry about 'shooting to good to pass'.

I was kinda happy the time I combined the right gun with a soft shooting load and chewed the bullseye right out of the target.

That's like the time I bowled 280. Usually if I hit 125 I'm having a good day.

 

[sawlog]

I took my Illinois ccw class 2 years ago and they never told us that.

 

[Watchdog]

Sounds like baloney to me.

 

[cola490]

I call BS on this.

 

[Muss Muggins]

Took the Utah conceal carry class over the weekend and found out something very interesting about the Illinois Conceal Carry Qualifying ..

While taking a break I was taking to one of the instructors who was also teaching the Illinois CCL course .. If your a good shot you could fail the shooting qualification part of the class and thus fail the course and would have to pay to take it again ..

How you say !!! The instructors have been told by the Illinois State police who run the show they have to count the holes !! so if you key hole all 30 shots in a 3 inch circle you would fail .. as there is only one hole ..

You have been warned !

He said that some good shooters have failed because of that .. I don't know if other instructors tell their class that but his group does .. the class I was in wasn't told that .. so spread your shots over the target a little bit so they will all count .. and not to shoot just at the center bulls eye ring ..

I scored 28 out of 30 when I took mine and didn't say any thing to the Deputy Sheriff who taught the class about the missing shots .. and where we shot the heater vents were blowing the target back and forth about 10 inches was why my shots were spread out a little more then I usually shoot .. or my group would have been much tighter .. and I might have failed the class !! my last groups at the range I go to were 10 shoots in a 1 3/4 inch group at a 3 x 1 7/8 bull at 30 feet ..

So if your going to take the Illinois CC class be sure to spread your shots out a bit when qualifying !!! Then all your shots will count toward your score !!!

Can't help but wonder if ISP officers are treated the same way when they qualify? I call that which makes grass green and smelly . . .

 

[murphydog]

I could certainly see this happening if the instructor wants to penalize someone with the "wrong attitude", not showing proper safety skills, etc. but couldn't otherwise fail them under the rules.

Or you could just do this:

 

[K-framer]

Thank goodness it isn't that way in NC. I scored 100 %, with all shots inside the 10 ring (oval) on the targets we use. Of course, the distances used in NC are 3, 5 and 7 yards.....so how could anyone miss ?

 

[bigwheelzip]

The OP story is the same as in my SC CWP class. The holes needed to be counted, and the shooters were asked to spread them out.

The instructor made a point of asking the class if anyone was taking the test with a revolver. I was the only one of 25 shooters using one, a 4" 686P. He repeated the requirement for me, because he said revolver shooters are notorious for putting all fifty rounds into one hole.

I don't know if the repercussion for too close spacing would have been failure or repetition of the test.

 

[Hapworth]

I have professional quals yearly; when we shoot a ragged hole center mass of the target, the range officer shakes our hand.

Hard to believe it would garner anything less anywhere else...

 

[Jim1392]

The OP story is the same as in my SC CWP class. The holes needed to be counted, and the shooters were asked to spread them out.

The instructor made a point of asking the class if anyone was taking the test with a revolver. I was the only one of 25 shooters using one, a 4" 686P. He repeated the requirement for me, because he said revolver shooters are notorious for putting all fifty rounds into one hole.

I don't know if the repercussion for too close spacing would have been failure or repetition of the test.

50 rounds in one hole?? That would be quite a feat. Was the shooter Jerry Miculek? I think the instructor was pulling your leg..

 

[ispcapt]

Sounds like baloney to me.

I call BS on this.

You're right. It is total BS.
The OP should find a different instructor. His instructor is full of beans and other stuff.

 

[bigwheelzip]

50 rounds in one hole?? That would be quite a feat. Was the shooter Jerry Miculek? I think the instructor was pulling your leg..

The instructor was dead serious about the requirement to count the individual holes.

With fifty rounds, the hole might be a few inches across. That's easy to do with a long barreled revolver in single action, even for this weak, old, half-blind woman.

 

[Jim1392]

The instructor was dead serious about the requirement to count the individual holes.

With fifty rounds, the hole might be a few inches across. That's easy to do with a long barreled revolver in single action, even for this weak, old, half-blind woman.

Maybe so, if the instructor lets you stand there and shoot single action with all the time you wanted. I took my CHP here in NC and we shot at 3, 5, and 7 yards. The instructor had over 30 people in our class and when we hit the range there was no dilly-dallying around. He made everyone who had revolver load shoot double action and move on. If you had an automatic the same went for you. It would be pretty hard IMHO to duplicate that type of shooting when you couldn't just stand there taking all the time you wanted. I can see an experienced shooter putting quite a few through. But 50 in one hole I just don't buy it. I think he was just exaggerating. Or trying to make the point about having to count the holes.

 

[Arik]

I guess if you can't count the holes you technically can't say if it was a hit or miss

 

[vytoland]

ooooooo lawdy, i'll have to pull a few shots...i dont want to fail the test......

 

[RobertJ.]

50 rounds in one hole?? That would be quite a feat. Was the shooter Jerry Miculek? I think the instructor was pulling your leg..

Years ago I drove for Brinks in Seattle. When I qualified with the revolver, which was a Model 64, all but a couple of my 60 shots made one big hole in the center of the target. It was easier for the instructor to count the shots that didn't make it into the center of the 10 ring and then subtract from what was almost a perfect score, which is what he did. Apparently he spread the news around, because I had guys I hadn't even met yet coming up to me and saying, "I heard you can shoot"!

 

[bigwheelzip]

Maybe so, if the instructor lets you stand there and shoot single action with all the time you wanted. I took my CHP here in NC and we shot at 3, 5, and 7 yards. The instructor had over 30 people in our class and when we hit the range there was no dilly-dallying around. He made everyone who had revolver load shoot double action and move on. If you had an automatic the same went for you. It would be pretty hard IMHO to duplicate that type of shooting when you couldn't just stand there taking all the time you wanted. I can see an experienced shooter putting quite a few through. But 50 in one hole I just don't buy it. I think he was just exaggerating. Or trying to make the point about having to count the holes.

We had at least 25 in our class. They "staff-up" for the classes. Besides the instructor and assistant, there were two people doing fingerprints, and four RSO's (for eight shooting lanes) overseeing the range test. Shooting was done in five round sets, with more than enough time for carefully aimed fire.

With a rapid fire requirement, like you describe, of course the groups open up. But even then, with fifty rounds, you would still put many rounds through an ever expanding (and uncountable) main hole, if you were trying to shoot bullseyes.

It was simple enough just to ask us to open up our groups.

 

[cmort666]

That actually used to happen during rifle qualification in the Army.

Maintenance of the popup targets was so miserable that the 50 meter targets would have huge holes center of mass. If you actually aimed AT the target, the bullet would sail right through it, leaving the target upright.

We were taught to aim IN FRONT OF the 50 meter target so that debris would be thrown into the target and actuate it.

When I took the Ohio CHL class, the last part was a live fire. I'm a bullseye competitor, so shooting at anything closer than fifty feet is ridiculously easy. After I shot the center out of the target, I got bored and started shooting at the NRA logo, the copywrite notice, and anything else that might be a challenge.