Best 10mm Self Defense Ammo for your M&P?

[Hawg Rider]

OK- so what type of ammo do you prefer to carry in your M&P 10mm 2.0 for self defense (two-legged variety)? For a couple of years I've been using SIG V-Crown 180gr HPs, but recently picked up some HoneyBadger 115gr to try. I did a little research on this Black Hills ammo, and it's got some pretty impressive test results. I don't believe that this ammo is just hype, but was hoping for some positive feedback and reinforcement from the Forum. This stuff ain't cheap, so I'd like to know that it performs as advertised. Fortunately I've never been in a position to have to use deadly force, and hope that I never will be. My M&P 10mm has performed flawlessly (600+ rounds) so I have no reservations about using it...but I'd like to know that the ammo is just as dependable.

 

[Well Armed]

180 Federal HST or 180 Winchester Ranger T-Series in 40s&w. Does the same thing 180 SIG V-Crown JHP does in a small, lighter, more conceable package with less recoil and cheaper ammo.

 

[SnidelyWhiplash]

Winchester Silvertips 175-grain is always a good choice.

 

[Autonomous]

I am skeptical of projectiles at the ends of the weight spectrum for something as critical as self-defense. Reliability is #1, #2 and #3 in the order of priorities.
Let time prove the Honey Badger. I suspect it will wither like so many gimmick loads. Modern terminal ballistics show that velocity does not become a game changer till ~2,200 fps.
The Silvertip, for example, is proven. I suggest you stay with the V-Crown, itself a good load.
It does not matter that your gun ran with 600 other loads, you will need to put a lot of a new ammo through your gun to prove it. It's expensive business, proving new ammo.

 

[SnidelyWhiplash]

I am skeptical of projectiles at the ends of the weight spectrum for something as critical as self-defense. Reliability is #1, #2 and #3 in the order of priorities.
Let time prove the Honey Badger. I suspect it will wither like so many gimmick loads. Modern terminal ballistics show that velocity does not become a game changer till ~2,200 fps.
The Silvertip, for example, is proven. I suggest you stay with the V-Crown, itself a good load.
It does not matter that your gun ran with 600 other loads, you will need to put a lot of a new ammo through your gun to prove it. It's expensive business, proving new ammo.

Very true. Ballistics tests in gelatin can show comparative characteristics of different rounds in that medium. That's not necessarily the same as real world results. A late friend and gun scribe and instructor used the term "observed reality" when discussing what he would trust to defend himself with. He was sometimes accused of being behind the latest developments but he wasn't...he waited for consistent, documented real world results before committing himself to something "new and improved".

I believe that's a good way to look at it...especially when it involves defending your life.

 

[45Smashemflat]

I’ve just started down this path myself. I’ve gotten a few different factory loadings locally. WWB and S&B 180gr FMJ, Gold Dot 200gr JHP, and Federal 200gr HST, oh and some Nosler 200gr JHP as well. I’ll be testing these first for reliability, then for group size. I figure I’ll be going with a JHP for most use, but will get some Underwood and Buffalo Bore and Hornady to test at some point.

I guess you can tell, I’m leaning towards the more traditional heavier projectiles.

 

[mrshyvley]

When it comes to self defense rounds, I get all of my 10mm from Underwood.
I typically use the 180 grain JHP @ 1300fps or the 155 grain JHP at 1500fps.
Been happy with them.

 

[Mike SC Hunter]

Whatever fits in the gun and goes BANG when you pull the trigger.

 

[smith10]

Still carrying vcrowns in mine.

 

[paknheat]

I handload my 10mm ammo. I use the Hornady 155 gn XTP with a healthy dose of Power Pistol & set it off with a Winchester primer.

It’s proven to be the most accurate loading for my Glock 29. Nothing factory produced ever made the cut.

I’ve been carrying this combo for about 20+ years now and so far the most dangerous thing I’ve used it on was a really pissed off wild boar. Dropped it in its tracks with a single head shot while it was charging me. It weighed 252 lbs.

If it’ll drop raging bacon on the hoof , tweeker Bob don’t stand a chance.


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[Classic29]

Winchester Silvertips 175-grain is always a good choice.

This. A plus for me is BMCM suggests this ammo for my, by him, converted 4013.

 

[Beju]

One of the upsides of 10mm is it having enough oomph behind it that even older JHP designs like the the Winchester Silvertip reliably expand. Heck, that even includes the old Federal Hydra-Shok that's basically a .40 S&W load in a longer case.

That being said, some of the lighter for caliber bullets (155 gr and under) can exhibit penetration that's on the shallow side of FBI specs. The hunting focused bullets (hardcast, Federal Trophy Bonded, etc) could be a sketchy choice for self defense due to over penetration risk, but I wouldn't worry about self-defense JHPs that go a bit deeper than the FBI 12-18" recommendation. Plenty of big city trauma nurses can tell you about finding 9mm FMJ bullets (~24" of gel penetration) that went through a torso and got stopped by clothing on the other side.

 

[mrshyvley]

One of the upsides of 10mm is it having enough oomph behind it that even older JHP designs like the the Winchester Silvertip reliably expand. Heck, that even includes the old Federal Hydra-Shok that's basically a .40 S&W load in a longer case.

That being said, some of the lighter for caliber bullets (155 gr and under) can exhibit penetration that's on the shallow side of FBI specs. The hunting focused bullets (hardcast, Federal Trophy Bonded, etc) could be a sketchy choice for self defense due to over penetration risk, but I wouldn't worry about self-defense JHPs that go a bit deeper than the FBI 12-18" recommendation. Plenty of big city trauma nurses can tell you about finding 9mm FMJ bullets (~24" of gel penetration) that went through a torso and got stopped by clothing on the other side.

I hear you about the 155, but sometimes hard hitting reduced penetration potential makes sense for the situation.

That's why I use Underwood 180 (1300fps) or 155 (1500fps) XTP JHP depending on the situation.
Even this gel test of Underwood 155 XTP JHP penetrates 12.5" through heavy clothing and 13" through a T-shirt.
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkTZmRmr9-M[/ame]

 

[Well Armed]

I hear you about the 155, but sometimes hard hitting reduced penetration potential makes sense for the situation.

That's why I use Underwood 180 (1300fps) or 155 (1500fps) XTP JHP depending on the situation.
Even this gel test of Underwood 155 XTP JHP penetrates 12.5" through heavy clothing and 13" through a T-shirt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkTZmRmr9-M

180gr 10mm XTP Underwood penetrated 16" and expanded to .64" using a Glock 20 with it's 4.61" barrel in Tools&Targets testing of it on his channel....

Lucky Gunner has 180gr 40s&w Federal HST penetrating to 18.5" with .72" expansion out of a 3.43" barreled Glock 27....

 

[biku324]

. Plenty of big city trauma nurses can tell you about finding 9mm FMJ bullets (~24" of gel penetration) that went through a torso and got stopped by clothing on the other side.

^^^^^This. Saw a suicide wherein a Federal 115 grain +P+ JHP went through the upper palate, brain, and stopped just peeking through the top of the decedent's skull. I want 40 caliber or larger, 900 fps or more, and .15 or greater sectional density or more regardless of 'superior new manufacturing techniques.'

 

[mrshyvley]

180gr 10mm XTP Underwood penetrated 16" and expanded to .64" using a Glock 20 with it's 4.61" barrel in Tools&Targets testing of it on his channel....

Lucky Gunner has 180gr 40s&w Federal HST penetrating to 18.5" with .72" expansion out of a 3.43" barreled Glock 27....

This begs a question.
A 180gr 10mm XTP JHP Underwood in a Glock 20 has a muzzle velocity of about 1250fps, 624 ft lbs energy, penetrates 16", and expands to .64".

A 180gr 40s&w Federal HST in a Glock 27 has a muzzle velocity of about 975fps, 380 ft lbs energy, penetrates 18.5", and expands to .72".

QUESTION: IF both of these tests were done under EQUAL conditions, WHERE did the higher amount of energy of the 10mm XTP JHP Underwood go?

 

[rosewood]

This begs a question.
A 180gr 10mm XTP JHP Underwood in a Glock 20 has a muzzle velocity of about 1250fps, 624 ft lbs energy, penetrates 16", and expands to .64".

A 180gr 40s&w Federal HST in a Glock 27 has a muzzle velocity of about 975fps, 380 ft lbs energy, penetrates 18.5", and expands to .72".

QUESTION: IF both of these tests were done under EQUAL conditions, WHERE did the higher amount of energy of the 10mm XTP JHP Underwood go?

Assuming all else being equal, must have been in the bullet expansion itself. XTP may need absorb/more energy expanding than the HST. IF that isn't it, must not be equal test.

 

[hardluk1]

Hawg Rider Do you have a shot timer ? There are also apps to use but assuming you have other handguns in 9mm , 40sw & 45 or others you may have test your self to see how split times & accuracy of the 10mm loads you think are all that compare to other defensive cartridges in handguns you could carry .

Just remember No typical handgun cartridges is a sure fire one shot man stopper so pick a ammo that your both fast and accurate enough with a bullet that works very- A zone only hits count .

Might be you find a standard velocity load ends up your best personal defensive choice .

 

[URIT]

Check the ballistics test results for 10mm ammo here: https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/10mm-auto-self-defense-ammo-ballistic-gel-tests/

I suspect the brands tested are those they carry, but clicking on the product name will let you compare your Badger or Underwood offerings.

 

[mrshyvley]

Assuming all else being equal, must have been in the bullet expansion itself. XTP may need absorb/more energy expanding than the HST. IF that isn't it, must not be equal test.

When I saw the 10mm XTP JHP didn't expand as much or penetrate as deeply, yet had significantly more velocity, it made me suspect the test couldn't have been an all things equal test medium.