Best Self-Defense Ammo for 642?

[JayDubya]

I practice with 148gr lead wadcutters from www.mastercast.net. They are very accurate, and only beat my hand up a little when I fire them from my 637 Airweight (the twin to your 642 with a visible hammer). I limit myself to fifty, and first put a J&J knuckle bandage on the web of my right hand. If I forget to do that, I will make -- and break -- a blister within twenty rounds. Practice with Airweights is a duty, not a pleasure. My SD/HD load is the Remington +p LSWCHP, the FBI load. The Winchester and Federal versions of this round use hardcast bullets, which probably will not expand from a snubby. The Remington load uses dead soft lead bullets which can be expected to expand from a snubby. I occasionally fire off a cylinder full of these cartridges, just to remind me of how stout they are. If I were to use them in a SD/HD situation, I doubt if I would even notice that my hand hurt (or that my ears were ringing). The Speer 135gr +p Gold Dot is also highly regarded, and is made specifically for snubbies.

Cordially, Jack

 

[remat457]

I like the Speer GoldDot 135gr +P. A new one I just picked up today is the new Hornady Critical Defense. It should be good.

 

[MTKTM]

Originally posted by Dale53:
If you reload, and don't have qualms about using reloads for defense, a double ended wadcutter loaded at full charge levels (use your chronograph) makes a dandy defense load. You get full bore diameter WITHOUT the necessity to expand.

Just a thought...

Dale53

Back in the '70s I experimented with loading Speer 148 grain hollow-base swaged wadcutters upside-down with the hollow base forming a massive hollow-cavity facing forward. They actually shot quite well and when fired into water would expand to about 3/4 of an inch even at low velocities. They didn't penetrate real far either, so I thought of them as a potentially decent defensive-round against human targets and carried them in my Model 67 for a number of years.

In this era where a lawsuit seems to arise out of every death that occurs, even if it is an 87 year-old in poor health, I am personally of the view that using any sort of handload in a defensive handgun is unwise, so I don't. That's me. Not wanting to rekindle that debate, just sayin'.....

 

[NavJAG06]

Thanks to all for the great suggestions. I think I'll take the suggestions for practicing with the range rounds but loading a couple cylinders of self-defense ammo either +P or the Federal rounds suggested at the end to acclimate to the recoil of the light firearm. My regular firearms are the Sig 239 (sweet gun) and an XD 45 compact. I was amazed at how easy even the 45 with ,45 acp +P rounds is to shoot and follow through compared to the Airweight. Have to refocus that the Airweight is a close-defense weapon and correct... won't be thinking or caring about recoil in a real-life situation. Again, the advice by all is much appreciated.

 

[shawn mccarver]

Originally posted by NavJAG06:
I have a new 642 and have fired a couple of hundred 38sp range rounds (Atlanta Arms) to acclimate to the firearm and also fired about 50 rounds of Speers Gold Dot 38 +P rounds. The range rounds were easy to handle; the Gold Dots had more recoil than I expected and were a bit hard on the hands after about 25 rounds. Looking for a good compromise for a self-defense round with decent velocity, power, and bullet spread with a bit less recoil than the Speers 38 +P rounds I fired. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

In 38, there are two proven choices: (1) Winchester FBI load* and (2) Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel.

I would also look at the new Hornady with the red plug in the hollow point to assist in mushroom. It looks promising. I think it is called Critical Defense or something like that.

* The Winchester FBI load is the 158 grain +P Lead Hollow Point, catalog number I think ends with SPD.

 

[Fulton722]

MidwayUSA has the 38+P Speer 135 gr. S.B. on sale for $20.99 / 20 rounds (#738035).

 

[Wyatt Earp]

Originally posted by shawn mccarver:
In 38, there are two proven choices: (1) Winchester FBI load* and (2) Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel.

I would also look at the new Hornady with the red plug in the hollow point to assist in mushroom. It looks promising. I think it is called Critical Defense or something like that.

* The Winchester FBI load is the 158 grain +P Lead Hollow Point, catalog number I think ends with SPD.

Don't forget to Include Remington's FBI load (R38S12) in there as well.

Buffalo Bore makes a SMOKING FBI load as well that chronos (according to BB) at 1000 fps from a 1 7/8" Model 60.

 

[FireInCairo]

I'm novice shooter, but I took my recently purchased 642 to the range yesterday and I went through 20 Speer Gold Dots and 20 Remington Hydra-Shok loads (both are +P).

I found the Gold Dots had a bit more recoil and were a bit harder to group for accuracy. The Remingtons felt better and were more accurate for me. I decided I will be buying the Remingtons from now on.

 

[Old Navy]

Originally posted by shawn mccarver:
In 38, there are two proven choices: (1) Winchester FBI load* and (2) Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel.

I would also look at the new Hornady with the red plug in the hollow point to assist in mushroom. It looks promising. I think it is called Critical Defense or something like that.

* The Winchester FBI load is the 158 grain +P Lead Hollow Point, catalog number I think ends with SPD.

Very good advice here and you would do well to follow. The 148/158 gr rounds are about the best there is from a 38 special and when loaded properly the LSWC-HP is a very deadly round and as always done the job unless having to shoot through car bodies and windshields. I use a Hornedy LSWC-HP in my 357 magnum 360Sc 12.5 oz Kit Gun because of the reduced recoil. It can't be shot properly by 99% of the people with most PP 357 loads.

 

[Cruiser RN]

Hi In my 640 I use 135 grain Copper jacketed hollow point +P Speer Gold Dot short barrel for carry.This round was developed in conjunction with NYPD to not loose velocity when fired from snub nosed revolvers as compared to full sized duty revolvers......God Bless.....Mike

 

[surveyor47]

You arent buying premium self defense loads, such as Speer +P 135s or 158 +P HP FBI loads for target practice,especially at well over $1/round! The box says SELF DEFENSE and that is exactly what they are for! A +P38 is little enough! If it groups well enough to hit at 7 yards, thats good enough.

Practice with a standard 38 Special loadings, such as Winchester White Box 130 or 158 round nose, something close to the weight you are carrying in a self defense load.

Once you learn the proper grip for your gun and limit the number of rounds fired, that tendancy to wear the skin off the web of your hand won't be a problem. I unconsciously hold mine very tight because of that. Also, 50 rounds per range session with that gun is enough.

 

[photoman]

Originally posted by milspec45:
I've been shooting Rem 110gr sjhp's for defense out of a Smith mdl 37. No recoil problems.

I use these on occasion but they have one heck of a flash and bang. Then again, that might not be a bad thing.

 

[photoman]

Originally posted by Wyatt Earp:
Don't forget to Include Remington's FBI load (R38S12) in there as well.

The last box of R38S12 I bought was loaded quite different than the older stock I had. The bullet was about 1/16" further out of the case. Don't know if that's something new they are doing or if it was a bad batch of ammo. FYI

 

[Emerson]

I carry my 642 loaded with HydraShocks.

 

[photoman]

Originally posted by NavJAG06: Looking for a good compromise for a self-defense round with decent velocity, power, and bullet spread with a bit less recoil than the Speers 38 +P rounds I fired. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

The NYPD Gold Dot load has performed well on the street but the recoil is a bit much for me. I use the CorBon 110gr JHP+P. A bit less recoil and the Sierra bullet is very accurate. This load has performed well on the street also.

 

[JayDubya]

Dale said: "My carry loads for the 642 are the "FBI Load" (.38 Special +P with 158 gr LSWC-HP). I practice with target WC's (148 WC's at target velocity). I often shoot a cylinder full of carry loads at the end of the practice session."

I can add but one thought to that: from a 642 snubby, the FBI load should be Remington's, not Federal's or Winchester's. Their bullets are more hardcast than Remington's and therefore have less chance of expanding in jello and other such -- um -- materials, than Remington's almost pure lead bullets (www.brassfetcher.com, www.hipowersandhandguns.net). That is what Stephen Camp carries in his 642, and what I carrie in my 637 -- the visible hammer version of your 642.

For range ammo, I agree with several posters above: 148gr LWC. I get mine from www.mastercast.net. I have fired off more than 6,000 of Mastercast's reloads without a single problem. Reliable, inexpensive, prompt. Highly recommended. You can really save money by sending them your brass in exchange (same type and quantity). If you choose to do this, send it USPS Priority Mail. I send off a thousand cases that way for nine dollars and change. Any other way I know of costs more than twenty dollars.

And, by the way, you may find the 148gr WC a bit hurty on your hand also (I do, but my hand is 77 years old). If so, check Mastercast's 100gr LWC. I tested 500 of them, found them accurate at least to 10 yards and, at 600 fps about as punishing as a .22. As for your SD/HD load, as has been pointed out above, if you have to use it for its intended purpose, you won't even notice the flash, bang and recoil -- until later, when someone says something you and you say, "What?"

I think you would accept that. I will, but then I donated much of my hearing to Naval Aviation, so I don't have that much left to part with.

Good luck,
Jack

 

[Old Navy]

Even after taking the ) out of the first link it still does not open.

 

[tray]

I too practice with .38 special loads but carry Buffalo Bore 38+p 158GR LSWC-HP.

 

[safearm]

I carry a 442 with Speer GD 125 grain JHP +P.

 

[moolan1]

You're asking about the best ammo for a little 38? Man please! You don't need anything special,just be a good shot. Most ones are killed by 22's,think about it.