Black helicopters in Miami, Houston, LA and St. Louis?
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The Last Standing Knight
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I saw them when they flew over the Houston Galleria. It appears there was a lot of this going on just prior to the Superbowl. In Houston's case, it was a military operation using an abandoned school in support of the Houston Police.
While I am all for training, the way it was handled in Houston was rather nonesensical. It seems there was no communication as HFD (who was not part of the exercise) responded to what they thought was some sort of attack...even councilmembers and the Mayor were supposedly not aware of the exercise. That and flying them in LOACH's over highly populated areas tended to make people paranoid and nervous.
People around here are already highly suspicious of anything the government does these days...this didn't help.
To me, it was interesting, but hardly alarming.
While I am all for training, the way it was handled in Houston was rather nonesensical. It seems there was no communication as HFD (who was not part of the exercise) responded to what they thought was some sort of attack...even councilmembers and the Mayor were supposedly not aware of the exercise. That and flying them in LOACH's over highly populated areas tended to make people paranoid and nervous.
People around here are already highly suspicious of anything the government does these days...this didn't help.
To me, it was interesting, but hardly alarming.
LVSteve
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Get them all the time here, but with the Nevada training range to the North and Ft Irwin, China Lake and 29 Palms to the South it's hardly a surprise.
Faulkner
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It's not the black helicopters I see that bother me, it's the new stealth black helicopters we don't see or hear that I wonder about.
And, of course, the drones. I was visiting with my neighbor, Bob, last weekend and we look up and see several turkey buzzards circling way up high above us. I commented that buzzards must be on the hunt, and he replies with a chuckle, "yeah, or they're government drones keeping an eye on us!"
And, of course, the drones. I was visiting with my neighbor, Bob, last weekend and we look up and see several turkey buzzards circling way up high above us. I commented that buzzards must be on the hunt, and he replies with a chuckle, "yeah, or they're government drones keeping an eye on us!"
quneur
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A few days ago they flew over my part of the country.
Harrison
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Big Brother is just watching us.
mjr
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Man, you're not kidding. Those things are skeery!
george minze
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They better not land in St. Louis unless they have darn good insurance.
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I am slightly concerned about the drones, mostly if I am out in the woods and answering nature's call and wondering if at that moment in time what some guy behind the controls is thinking. I hope I don't get some joker with a sense of humor who decides that is the appropriate time to accidentally launch a missile of some sort.
I used to work with a guy who in WWII was on the opposing side of a German sniper with a pretty bad sense of humor. It seems he was taking out or GI's when they were going to the latrine. He would wait until they had their pants down and then shoot. I only hope our guys got him.
I used to work with a guy who in WWII was on the opposing side of a German sniper with a pretty bad sense of humor. It seems he was taking out or GI's when they were going to the latrine. He would wait until they had their pants down and then shoot. I only hope our guys got him.
lonejacklarry
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I've never seen one! No, really, I have not. In a previous life I was a helicopter pilot. I really can't see how one could make a noiseless helicopter. The rotors are the noise makers and, yes, some now come w/out tail rotors but they are extremely noisy, too.
The "wop, wop, wop" from Hueys came as the rotor tip speed approached the speed of sound. Shorter rotors, lower rotor speed, and multiple rotor blades quieted helicopters down.....some.
Black helicopters? Sometimes, we turned our lights off at night, too.
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What movie are you all talking about....is it a Bruce Willis flick?
wheelgun28
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They know what web sites you post on and are watching...
The Last Standing Knight
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^I want one of those!
sigp220.45
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Don't you think if they were really up to no good, they'd repaint the helicopters?
Not just in the major cities. Had one buzz us about an hour ago. Our town is about as far from a major city as you can get. Last census total population was 542 people in a little town tucked in a hollow in the West Virginia mountains.
What on earth could they want here?
My guess is they are putting S&W forum members under
strict surveillance. Hence the sightings on here.
Too many of those evil revolvers out there. All equipped with the
dreaded "pistol grip". Some hold more than the standard 6 rounds
and some even have the evil "black rubber grips".
Chuck
strict surveillance. Hence the sightings on here.
Too many of those evil revolvers out there. All equipped with the
dreaded "pistol grip". Some hold more than the standard 6 rounds
and some even have the evil "black rubber grips".
Chuck
You have a point there. My 442's black, it has black rubber grips and the holster's dyed black.
Does that make it an evil tactical snubby?
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I think the US military has been training is US cities for decades, and sometimes you know what's going on, and sometimes you don't. It's because they operate, or are assigned to operate in major cities all around the globe. What better place to train than our own cities?
The one example with which I am personally familiar involves a special forces sniper school I attended many years ago. The final phase of the school involved a number of field training exercises, or FTXs, a number of which were urban in nature. In one we had to infiltrate an urban environment at night undetected, spend three days in a building without being caught, then at about 2am one morning take live rifle shots in an intersection. The target was surrounded by sandbags that were quickly put in place by support staff, then just as quickly removed once the shots had been taken. We had to exfil the area carrying everything we had produced in 3 days, including bags of poop, again without being seen.
This wasn't training against local citizens, it was training for real world specwar missions in other countries.
Now, I suppose someone somewhere could try to order those soldiers to turn their skills against American citizens, and maybe a few would, but that has nothing to do with the training that we see from time to time. If it's being done right, this kind of training takes place all the time and you never know it. The real fear I have is the kind of politician that would try to turn those skills against us. That is what you must watch out for, that is the threat, not the guys training to do their job.
The one example with which I am personally familiar involves a special forces sniper school I attended many years ago. The final phase of the school involved a number of field training exercises, or FTXs, a number of which were urban in nature. In one we had to infiltrate an urban environment at night undetected, spend three days in a building without being caught, then at about 2am one morning take live rifle shots in an intersection. The target was surrounded by sandbags that were quickly put in place by support staff, then just as quickly removed once the shots had been taken. We had to exfil the area carrying everything we had produced in 3 days, including bags of poop, again without being seen.
This wasn't training against local citizens, it was training for real world specwar missions in other countries.
Now, I suppose someone somewhere could try to order those soldiers to turn their skills against American citizens, and maybe a few would, but that has nothing to do with the training that we see from time to time. If it's being done right, this kind of training takes place all the time and you never know it. The real fear I have is the kind of politician that would try to turn those skills against us. That is what you must watch out for, that is the threat, not the guys training to do their job.
LVSteve
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There are tricks to making a helicopter quieter, but noiseless just is not going to happen. We have some of those MD500 subtypes here and I think one of them has no tail rotor. Even so if the pilot turns hard the rotor slap is pronounced. On cold days/nights it is MUCH worse. Some work done year ago found the much of the noise was down to the interference between the vortices coming off the tail rotor interfering with those from the main rotor. By reversing the rotation of the tail rotor the effect was considerably reduced. Multiblade rotors are also quieter. If you hear a Merlin or a Hind they are remarkably quiet for a medium sized chopper, but silent, I don't think so.
This is news?
Washington, D.C. has been full of drones for as long as I can remember.
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