Bodyguard 2.0 laser sights
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It's only been 13 months if my google search resulted in the right date of July 16, 2024. No idea if that's long enough for aftermarket lasers to be released.
As it is there's only one aftermarket sight replacement that I'm aware of and some parts from Galloway Precision. Maybe another year?
Personally, I don't like lasers, but I know some people do and it works for them.
As it is there's only one aftermarket sight replacement that I'm aware of and some parts from Galloway Precision. Maybe another year?
Personally, I don't like lasers, but I know some people do and it works for them.
ArmaLaser said they will be releasing their Trigger Guard Mounted red and green lasers around September 1 for the Body Guard 2.0
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Lasers on poly guns look so stupid and they require new holsters to use. I really liked the Crimson Trace laser grips when they were actually grips. No change in holsters and totally intuitive. They do work well though. I've had them on 3rd gen guns and a couple of beretta 92's. Shooting bullseye from the hip was easy and fun. I still have a set on my Model 67.
Lasers allow you to shoot (accurately) from the hip and from behind cover without totally exposing your brain bucket.
Personal defense vs "looking stupid'"? Hard choice. Also, the pocket holster that came with the purchase would seem to hold just about anything attached.
Lasers… yes they have their controversy.
Like many others, I put a Romeo Red Dot on my P365XL defense carry. I tried it holstered in a Mitch Rosen OWB at 3 o'clock. I practiced and practiced and could NOT find the red dot quickly enough. I also did not like the interference with my clothing, shirt, during a draw. I removed the red dot and put on a Sig Lima Green Laser. That eliminated two issues that were really bothering me about my defense carry training.
On a paper target finding the green laser dot is very fast. The laser grip button on the Lima Laser forced me to focus on my grip. I also discovered that by watching the laser on a paper target at 7 yards showed me my trigger control on every trigger pull. After multiple range days, my POA/POI become much better. With my old age eyesight, I find being able to only having to look at the target for the laser dot is WAY faster. I also do not have to raise the gun to my eye level to sight the target.
I realize there are trade-offs to a laser. The 2 primary ones are 1- it's not visible enough in bright light, and 2 – it gives away my location. Of course, the common complaint about any electronic battery powered device – it can fail.
I have 4 lasers - 3 on different pistols and 1 rifle. All of my firearms see an indoor range day most of the time. I find the lasers make my shooting experience way more fun.
As a member of a range and a group of very close friends (retired military, LE, and high-level security professionals), we hit the range about once or twice a month . None of the guys have a laser on their defense carry. Most have iron sights only. Several guys have red dots. A few have lasers and use them at the range.
Statistically, most personal attacks take place in the darker hours of the day. Would a laser be good for a spontaneous self-defense event? Would a red dot be better? Are iron sights just as good? Are the chances of a close encounter, point-and-shoot defense more likely?
I am eagerly waiting to buy the ArmaLaser green laser for my BG2. I just checked with ArmaLaser and they confirmed the release date for the TR36 is Labor Day!
The question is….. Is Muddy River Tactical going to make a kydex pocket holster for the Body Guard 2.0 with an ArmaLaser Trigger Mounted Laser?
Like many others, I put a Romeo Red Dot on my P365XL defense carry. I tried it holstered in a Mitch Rosen OWB at 3 o'clock. I practiced and practiced and could NOT find the red dot quickly enough. I also did not like the interference with my clothing, shirt, during a draw. I removed the red dot and put on a Sig Lima Green Laser. That eliminated two issues that were really bothering me about my defense carry training.
On a paper target finding the green laser dot is very fast. The laser grip button on the Lima Laser forced me to focus on my grip. I also discovered that by watching the laser on a paper target at 7 yards showed me my trigger control on every trigger pull. After multiple range days, my POA/POI become much better. With my old age eyesight, I find being able to only having to look at the target for the laser dot is WAY faster. I also do not have to raise the gun to my eye level to sight the target.
I realize there are trade-offs to a laser. The 2 primary ones are 1- it's not visible enough in bright light, and 2 – it gives away my location. Of course, the common complaint about any electronic battery powered device – it can fail.
I have 4 lasers - 3 on different pistols and 1 rifle. All of my firearms see an indoor range day most of the time. I find the lasers make my shooting experience way more fun.
As a member of a range and a group of very close friends (retired military, LE, and high-level security professionals), we hit the range about once or twice a month . None of the guys have a laser on their defense carry. Most have iron sights only. Several guys have red dots. A few have lasers and use them at the range.
Statistically, most personal attacks take place in the darker hours of the day. Would a laser be good for a spontaneous self-defense event? Would a red dot be better? Are iron sights just as good? Are the chances of a close encounter, point-and-shoot defense more likely?
I am eagerly waiting to buy the ArmaLaser green laser for my BG2. I just checked with ArmaLaser and they confirmed the release date for the TR36 is Labor Day!
The question is….. Is Muddy River Tactical going to make a kydex pocket holster for the Body Guard 2.0 with an ArmaLaser Trigger Mounted Laser?
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Appearance doesn't matter much when it comes to personal defense, true, but the price of the laser is nearly the cost of the gun. To spend that on a up close belly gun that will almost certainly not require laser pinpoint accuracy in the already unlikely scenario you're gonna fire it at all, just doesn't seem worth it to me. And yes, holster options do matter to me. And if the pocket holster that came with it can accommodate the gun both with the laser and without, it's a terrible holster, especially for a light trigger striker gun that may not have a safety.
But it's a free country.
At this time in my gun ownership, I very much enjoy the range days with my other hole-punching deplorables.
99.99% of the rest of my shooting is going to be at a range. I have less than a 1% chance of having to use my BG2 in a defense scenario. The lasers have added a great amount of fun while practicing and shooting paper at the range.
Kevin from Muddy River Tactical emailed me yesterday that they do not have plans at this time to make a kydex pocket holster that will hold a BG2 with an ArmaLaser Trigger Mounted green laser. But, he will add it to the requested list.
Although I'm in frugal mode, I don't put a price/cost cap for my defense carry. Since shooting is now my only physical hobby, I don't put a price on the close friendship I have with my friends and range buddies.
Spending $128.75, plus tax and shipping, for a laser on my BG2 is a bargain for the increased fun I will have.
99.99% of the rest of my shooting is going to be at a range. I have less than a 1% chance of having to use my BG2 in a defense scenario. The lasers have added a great amount of fun while practicing and shooting paper at the range.
Kevin from Muddy River Tactical emailed me yesterday that they do not have plans at this time to make a kydex pocket holster that will hold a BG2 with an ArmaLaser Trigger Mounted green laser. But, he will add it to the requested list.
Although I'm in frugal mode, I don't put a price/cost cap for my defense carry. Since shooting is now my only physical hobby, I don't put a price on the close friendship I have with my friends and range buddies.
Spending $128.75, plus tax and shipping, for a laser on my BG2 is a bargain for the increased fun I will have.
Yes, I agree with this. I do use a green laser on some of my full size Glock clone pistols that have a pic rail. However, I've just realized that the Armalaser has an activation switch that sits at the junction of the grip and the trigger guard. Unfortunately, that raises the effective bore axis of the pistol. Being able to shoot from hip level on a draw is really nice and I would like to have a small laser on the BG2.0. But a major factor/advantage of the BG2.0 is its extremely low bore axis that makes such a light pistol still have manageable felt recoil. Anything that makes me move my hand lower on the grip is a no-go.
Yes.... I see what you are saying. I didn't realize that there is a slight dimension change (less than 3/16") under the trigger guard my Sig P365 Micro with the Lima laser mounted. And, with the size and weight of the BG2 every little change in grip could affect control. I don't know that I will be able to detect or measure any difference in the bore axis change?
The ArmaLaser Trigger Guard mount will cause my grip to be slightly lower, but the 12-round mag will give me barely a full purchase with my pinky.
For me, the advantages of laser sighting will outweigh any bore axis lose.
Visible lasers have their place and utility. Regarding "giving up" your position / location when mounted on a handgun, give me a break. Not a major concern.
I don't know if you will notice the difference in recoil. That's very subjective. The bore axis will rise by the thickness of the switch.
I use only the 12 round mag and I don't think the Armalaser would deny me a full-handed grip. Yep, only you can make the trade-off between utility of the laser and the effect on recoil.The ArmaLaser Trigger Guard mount will cause my grip to be slightly lower, but the 12-round mag will give me barely a full purchase with my pinky.
For me, the advantages of laser sighting will outweigh any bore axis lose.
"The bore axis will rise by the thickness of the switch."
As soon as ArmaLaser notifies me that I can order a TR36 Trigger Guard mounted green laser, I will order one.
I will install it, and head for the range!
I will report back on what I experience.
The bummer right now is there is no kydex pocket holster for it.
Might want to try Mika's Holsters for your pocket holster. He made the one I use. I'll be contacting him to make one for the BG2+TR36G when I get the laser.
That's a hot tip! Thank you.
Just went to ArmaLaser site, asked about the laser with Faith in a chat. Still releasing on Labor Day....
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Is it Labor Day yet? 
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I am on their list for "want to buy one", so I assume they'd be contacting me via email?Is it Labor Day yet?
Frank
I am checking my emails about every hour.
I've been on their site a couple times this morning.
They are in FL so 3 hours ahead of me.
I'm somewhat surprised at their stated release date as Labor Day - a Federal Holiday?
Perhaps the company works on Labor Day??
I have an account created and added "My Last Requests (30 days).
Gentlemen, a little propriety please! Labor Day is a general reference to the Fall of the year. It's like saying, "next Spring". That does NOT mean June 20th. As in the fashion phrase, "Don't wear white after Labor Day." Faith said Labor Day because that's what it said on the script she had been given. It does not mean literally today. You boys are going to blow a gasket.
P.S. You seem to have a laser-like focus on this product's availability.
P.S. You seem to have a laser-like focus on this product's availability.
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Well, considering that they've told several of us that it would be available "on Labor Day", and because of the fact that they have a nice Labor Day sale going on right now, some of us do have a certain (hope and ) expectation that it will be released at some point today.Gentlemen, a little propriety please! Labor Day is a general reference to the Fall of the year. It's like saying, "next Spring". That does NOT mean June 20th. As in the fashion phrase, "Don't wear white after Labor Day." Faith said Labor Day because that's what it said on the script she had been given. It does not mean literally today. You boys are going to blow a gasket.
P.S. You seem to have a laser-like focus on this product's availability.
Frank
OH Crapity!!
I just chatted with Chris at ArmaLaser.
Bad news... the release of the Trigger Guard laser for the BG2 is now October 1.
I just chatted with Chris at ArmaLaser.
Bad news... the release of the Trigger Guard laser for the BG2 is now October 1.
They probably have so many customers on their waiting list they decided to make sure they have sufficient inventory to ship immediately.
I suspect that's more urban legend than practical. To me the laser is a cat toy and moves around way too much. But YMMV, if it works for you go for it.
I believe there are a few more cons than pros to the use of a laser on a pistol.
I have used lasers for over 5 years on 3 different handguns and 1 AR-15.
Being able to sight a laser dot on a target in just about any position is a fact.
The two big cons for me are 1- locating the dot on the target and 2 - the difficulty in keeping it zero'd. With practice and training, finding the dot on a very tightly mounted red dot optic is quicker and a quality red dot optic is way more securely mounted. The lasers use up battery power more quickly than a red dot optic. Giving away my position in total darkness is true after I fire a round or have a flashlight mounted.
My green dot and red dot lasers are practically useless in daylight at anything beyond 10 feet depending upon the surface its reflecting.
I'm a gadgeteer so I enjoy the lasers at the indoor range because it makes my shooting and practicing experience more fun. The green or red dot laser is barely visible at 25 yards at the indoor range. I practice with the lasers, with iron sights, and with my red dots.
The great thing about firearms is we have so many options to choose from.
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It's actually not an urban legend. I've shot cans of soda at 10 yards from the hip using crimson Trace laser grips on a Beretta 92 and a 642. Of course, that's not in a super high stress situation. Lasers do have their points. I just don't want to radically change the look, size, and weight of a gun I specifically chose for its size and weight. Not to mention needing new holsters. I used to have a set on my house gun Beretta 92. For up close point and shoot intent of use, I don't see the benefits as much. On the 642, they did much improve my accuracy with them. I didn't even have to look at the sights. Just extend and shoot the dot. But they also didn't add any size or holster issues to a J frame grip.
EDIT: ArmaLaser now says October for the release.
The great thing about firearms is we have so many options to choose from.
Absolutely, search and find what works for you and go with it. If something helps you hit the target more accurately and faster, it's worth it.
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