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There's a new Bonnie & Clyde movie coming out. It has Hillary Duff as Bonnie and some guy I can't remember as Clyde. Physically, they look real good for these parts. Can this chick shed her teenage image and play a fatalistic criminal? I don't know. I've always wanted to see an accurate movie of these two. Not that super entertaining pile of BS with Warren Beatty. That movie made a joke of Frank Hamer and his family sued the producers. Why not a movie of Hamer himself. On his desthbed he told his son and brother he killed fifty two men and one woman. All 'sraight up" (justified) or something like that.
 
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There's a new Bonnie & Clyde movie coming out. It has Hillary Duff as Bonnie and some guy I can't remember as Clyde. Physically, they look real good for these parts. Can this chick shed her teenage image and play a fatalistic criminal? I don't know. I've always wanted to see an accurate movie of these two. Not that super entertaining pile of BS with Warren Beatty. That movie made a joke of Frank Hamer and his family sued the producers. Why not a movie of Hamer himself. On his desthbed he told his son and brother he killed fifty two men and one woman. All 'sraight up" (justified) or something like that.
 
I used to have a nice out of print biogorphy of Hammer. It was great, Its title is "I am Frank Hammer" Get one if you can!
 
Wyatt,
That's the way I heard it told too.
His son and brother Harrison was at his bedside, the son asked his father if he ever regretted having to use his gun so much...Captain Hamer replied,'Boys I killed 52 men and one women...and I killed them alright and I sleep every night knowing I did right.'

That's to the best of my recollection,

Standing-Left to Right;
Prentiss Oakley, Ted Hinton, Bob Alcorn, Maney Gault
Kneelling-Left to Right;
Frank Hamer, Henderson Jordan

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Hamer's V-8

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In 1934 the retired Capt. Hamer was hired as a Special Investigator for the Texas prison system to track down gangsters Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow. The notorious outlaws had killed more than a dozen law enforcement officers and unarmed citizens in a crime spree spanning several states. The Texas prison system became involved when the Barrow gang broke into a State prison, freed a gang member and killed an officer. After a three-month search, Hamer and Texas and Louisiana law enforcement officers ambushed and killed the criminals near Gibsland, Louisiana

Su Amigo,
Dave
 
I know that got me too! Hammer never physicaly met either bonnie or clyde prior to the day of the shootout. Although he did know the familys they were from he said.
Why does hollywood always lie when the truth is better and more interesting?
 
In the picture, I believe the second from left is Ted Hinton. I have his book. Prentiss oakley is believed to have fired the first shot into Clyde's head,killing him before the rest opened fire. One thing the movies never tell is that Bonnie was almost fatally burned when Clyde drove off a downed bridge into a ravine. The car caught fire and Bonnie was trapped until some neighbors helped Clyde and W.D.Jones lift he car off her. Her leg was burned through to the bone in places. She was still recovering when the Platte City Mo. shootout took place.

BR
 
I don't know why they have to lie. Take that movie Wild Bill, for example. Someone thought his story was interesting enough to make a movie and they were right. But they couldn't help themselves. They had to change it. Too bad,too. Jeff Bridges was fantastic as WBH. I just watch the beginning every once in a while 'cause he shoots people real good. Then it's back to the computer to BS with all of you.
 
Captain Hamer's family sued the movie company for the way the Captain was portrayed in the Bonnie and Clyde film. The issue was settled out of court in 1971 for an unspecified amount of money.
While I understand that movies are not made to portray history, they are made to make money, I agree with this suit. They should not have tried to make a man like Hamer look like a bumpkin. He had a bunch of faults but being a fool wasn't one of them.
It is interesting that there were four Hamer brothers, Estell, Frank, Harrison and Clinton, I believe. All of them lived pretty adventurous lives. Estell was involved in the 1911 Revolution and became Senior Captain in the Rangers, at a later period than Frank. Harrison was a Ranger for quite awhile and arrested a couple of the Newton boys some pretty successful train and bank robbers in the 1930s.
 
In the great Texas Ranger gu book "From Texas And The Old West" they show pictures of Harrison Hamers .41 Colt SAA. Standard gun. and Franks fancy engraved pearl handled 45 and I think 'Ol Lucky, too. This book is all pictures of Texas Ranger and southwestern lawmen's Colts. Hamer had a triple lock and carried a Colt 38 Super 1911 when he killed those two little twirps Bonnie & Clyde, which alot of you already know. My fav. rifle is a Rem. Model 81 in 300 Savage. Alot of clanging around when you shoot that one.
 
Originally posted by Wyatt Burp:
In the great Texas Ranger gu book "From Texas And The Old West" they show pictures of Harrison Hamers .41 Colt SAA. Standard gun. and Franks fancy engraved pearl handled 45 and I think 'Ol Lucky, too. This book is all pictures of Texas Ranger and southwestern lawmen's Colts. Hamer had a triple lock and carried a Colt 38 Super 1911 when he killed those two little twirps Bonnie & Clyde, which alot of you already know. My fav. rifle is a Rem. Model 81 in 300 Savage. Alot of clanging around when you shoot that one.
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Wyatt, here's alittle something about Harrison Hamer,

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One of Harrison’s most noteworthy cases occurred when he was a Mounted Customs agent. The outlaws involved were Jess Newton and his brothers Joe, Dock, and Willis. These four men had robbed and burglarized banks in the United States and Canada for years before their career ended—at least officially—robbing a train near Chicago, Illinois. After this last heist, the brothers were hunted down and taken one by one.
It was believed that several of the Newton brothers were living in Mexico across the Rio Grande River from Del Rio, Texas. Harrison knew that the boys loved rodeos and suspected that one or more of the them might not be able to resist as big an event as the July 4th rodeo in Del Rio. Keeping a close eye on the crowd, Harrison saw Jess and his wife enter the stands, and he patiently waited his chance. His persistence paid off when Jess left the stands and unsuspectingly walked past the former Ranger. Harrison grabbed Jess by the arm and, undoubtedly with the aid of his ever-present six-shooter, informed Newton that he was under arrest. Escorting Jess below the grandstand, Harrison asked one of the local cowboys to watch the ever-elusive bandit. He returned to the stands and sent word to Newton’s wife that her husband needed to see her. As she walked past Harrison, he also arrested her.

Su Amigo,
Dave
 
Standing-Left to Right;
Prentiss Oakley, Ted Hinton, Bob Alcorn, Maney Gault
Kneelling-Left to Right;
Frank Hamer, Henderson Jordan
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Henderson Jordan was Bill Jordans Uncle.

Bob
 
Thanks, Dave. Great story. There was a not so bad movie called The Newton Boys. I was surprised I never heard of them before that movie since I'm interested in that stuff. By the way, you make pretty good holsters. When you make the style that's stiched in the front as well as the back, do you incorporate some kind of sight track like Safariland does?
 
Keith44spec. ,Dave, I have admired your talent of customizing revolvers, making your own very well made holsters and your hunting lifestyle. I must ask ,with all due respect, what do you do or what did you do for your livelyhood? Thanks for your consideration of my question. All my best,Joe.
 
Gentlemen, thank you both for your consideration. That is the reason that I very much enjoy spending time with you and the other great members of the forum. It is truly a good place to unwind and "contemplate that which brings us pleasure and enjoyment", again, thanks and all my best, Joe.
 
Originally posted by keith44spl:
Originally posted by Wyatt Burp:
Thanks, Dave. Great story. There was a not so bad movie called The Newton Boys. I was surprised I never heard of them before that movie since I'm interested in that stuff. By the way, you make pretty good holsters. When you make the style that's stiched in the front as well as the back, do you incorporate some kind of sight track like Safariland does?
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Wyatt,

If the handguns got a patridge front sight I use a leather sight track for clearance...but haven't found a track needed with the likes of the modified 1930 Austin style...

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I'll try to make a pic of the style your referin' to...

I do put a welt in these that acts as a sight track,

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Su Amigo,
Dave
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Damnn I Love this place
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Well now, fellas. Whatta these boys have in common?

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Why hats, of course. Real men -- and these boys look pretty darn real, ya gotta admit -- wear hats!
 
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