Bought a New PPK/S by Walther.

[American1776]

Found a brand new Walther PPK/S made by Walther in their Fort Smith Arkansas plant.

I've owned many PP series over the years, including W.German 7.65mm and S&W versions.

I must say, the new one is top notch in fit and finish. On a par with the W. German one I had.

Lettering are stamped instead of laser etched, and there is zero rattle.

Not a tool mark can be found, and the finish is spotless.

No sharp edges. The pistol does justice to Walther's old school craftsmanship. I've read that there are no MIM parts, and I can attest that the trigger and hammer both appear to be solid steel. Comes with a presentation style case.

I've got pocket sized Glocks that fire .357 and 10mm, and they hold more bullets. But this little pistol just looks and feels like it belongs in the hand.


I like this a lot.
Anyone else like the new Walthers?

 

[ISCS Yoda]

Definitely a classic!

 

[mauser9]

A real beauty. Had a blued Interarms one years ago. Kinda like the stainless one a bit better. One of the best concealable pistols out there. thanks for sharing.

 

[colt_saa]

Congratulations
That is a fine looking addition to the family

 

[Faulkner]

I shot a new Arkansas made Walther at the range lately and like the extended beavertail.

I carried an .380 ACP Walther PPK/S imported by Interarms for a number of years as a backup gun and occasional off duty concealed carry. I had performed some internal polishing of mine and found it to be very reliable and very, very accurate. I used to consistently ring a 6 inch steel plate at 50 yards.

Problem is, though, I did not find it a fun gun to shoot. For me if I were firing more than a magazine I found it was just plain painful to shoot. I always dreaded doing annual qualifications with the PPK/S, which require 50 rounds, because the .380 ACP in the Walther's blowback operation is quite stout. I would generally wear shooting gloves to help dampen the sharp pop of the recoil if I was shooting it more than a few rounds at a time. The sharp edges around the grip didn't help either.

 

[Echo40]

Congratulations, it's a real beauty.

I've always been fond of the classic Walther PP Series, and I wanted one of these new production Walther Arms USA PPK/S models since they were first announced years ago, but by 2016 I had become impatient and bought a like new S&W PPK/S.

I must say, I much prefer the smoother lines and stampings of the newer Walther USA PPK/S to the last generation S&W PPK/S. My S&W PPK/S has sharp edges at the muzzle end of the slide which taper off into a pair of little fang-like points, and the laser-etched markings just aren't as visible or attractive as proper rollmarks. I really wish that Smith & Wesson had put more care into the fit and finish of their PPKs, because they just don't hold a candle to the newer ones coming out of Fort Smith Arkansas.

 

[LB001]

Latest USA PPK/S

Can you tell us what the single and double action trigger weights are?

 

[cyberdemonbfg]

Found a brand new Walther PPK/S made by Walther in their Fort Smith Arkansas plant.

I've owned many PP series over the years, including W.German 7.65mm and S&W versions.

I must say, the new one is top notch in fit and finish. On a par with the W. German one I had.

Lettering are stamped instead of laser etched, and there is zero rattle.

Not a tool mark can be found, and the finish is spotless.

No sharp edges. The pistol does justice to Walther's old school craftsmanship. I've read that there are no MIM parts, and I can attest that the trigger and hammer both appear to be solid steel. Comes with a presentation style case.

I've got pocket sized Glocks that fire .357 and 10mm, and they hold more bullets. But this little pistol just looks and feels like it belongs in the hand.


I like this a lot.
Anyone else like the new Walthers?

Nice piece.I have one just like it and carry it daily..along with a Seecamp,lol.

 

[jbenedetto2]

Picked up this 22LR last month. Love it.

 

[rockquarry]

I'm not up on Walthers and am unfamiliar with "Ft. Smith" guns. I've had several PPK/Ss, blue and stainless, but those were purchased used from fifteen to twenty-five years ago. These guns were all good ones and did well even with cast bullets at twenty-five yards. Feeding and function was always reliable. How do the "Ft. Smith" guns compare with the older ones?

 

[mauser9]

Thanks for the info concerning the newer ones. Mine was bought new in 81-82 and stamped Interarms. Ended up trading for a CS-9. Just couldn't resist.

 

[Echo40]

I'm not up on Walthers and am unfamiliar with "Ft. Smith" guns. I've had several PPK/Ss, blue and stainless, but those were purchased used from fifteen to twenty-five years ago. These guns were all good ones and did well even with cast bullets at twenty-five yards. Feeding and function was always reliable. How do the "Ft. Smith" guns compare with the older ones?

Yours were likely all Interarms models, either manufactured by Manurhin in France or Ranger in USA. Manurhin models are among the finest ever made in terms of fit and finish, although there's nothing wrong with the fit/finish of Ranger models either.

The Fort Smith models are largely based upon the design of the Smith & Wesson manufacturered models, which feature a modified feed ramp for more reliable feeding of JHPs and an extended beavertail to help mitigate slide bite. Unfortunately, Smith & Wesson models are inferior to the Fort Smith models however, because S&W's modifications to the design resulted in some teething issues and were actually subject to a recall in 2009 when it was discovered that some models had a safety defect in which a round could go off if the decocker was engaged with a live round in the chamber. Fortunately, the recall fixed the issue and all Models produced from 2009 onward were free of such issues.

In terms of overall fit and finish, I would grade them like this...

Walther (Germany, Thurgia) > Manurhin (France) > Walther Arms (USA, Arkansas) > Interarms/Ranger (USA, Georgia) > Walther (Germany, Ulm) > Smith & Wesson (USA, Massachusetts) > Smith & Wesson (USA, Maine) > FEG (Hungary) > Walther/Umarex (Germany, Cologne)

As you can see, the Walther PP Series has certainly gotten around, being manufactured in multiple different countries over the decades since it was first introduced. The Walther PP has a rich history with a vast assessment of models produced over time. (PP, PP Sport, PP Super, PPK, PPK/L PPK/S, PPK/E)

Some will argue over the order I posted, but that's my opinion on the subject, those made pre-WWII in Germany are the finest, post-WWII in France are a close second, and so on. That being said, all Walther PPKs are beautiful, high quality firearms, some just have nicer fit/finish than others.

 

[boykinlp]

Here is my Manurhin PP:

 

[rockquarry]

Yours were likely all Interarms models, either manufactured by Manurhin in France or Ranger in USA. Manurhin models are among the finest ever made in terms of fit and finish, although there's nothing wrong with the fit/finish of Ranger models either.

The Fort Smith models are largely based upon the design of the Smith & Wesson manufacturered models, which feature a modified feed ramp for more reliable feeding of JHPs and an extended beavertail to help mitigate slide bite. Unfortunately, Smith & Wesson models are inferior to the Fort Smith models however, because S&W's modifications to the design resulted in some teething issues and were actually subject to a recall in 2009 when it was discovered that some models had a safety defect in which a round could go off if the decocker was engaged with a live round in the chamber. Fortunately, the recall fixed the issue and all Models produced from 2009 onward were free of such issues.

In terms of overall fit and finish, I would grade them like this...

Walther (Germany, Thurgia) > Manurhin (France) > Walther Arms (USA, Arkansas) > Interarms/Ranger (USA, Georgia) > Walther (Germany, Ulm) > Smith & Wesson (USA, Massachusetts) > Smith & Wesson (USA, Maine) > FEG (Hungary) > Walther/Umarex (Germany, Cologne)

As you can see, the Walther PP Series has certainly gotten around, being manufactured in multiple different countries over the decades since it was first introduced. The Walther PP has a rich history with a vast assessment of models produced over time. (PP, PP Sport, PP Super, PPK, PPK/L PPK/S, PPK/E)

Some will argue over the order I posted, but that's my opinion on the subject, those made pre-WWII in Germany are the finest, post-WWII in France are a close second, and so on. That being said, all Walther PPKs are beautiful, high quality firearms, some just have nicer fit/finish than others.

Good, concise explanation. Thank you.

 

[boykinlp]

Here is my Manurhin PP:
Larry

 

[AlaskaDawg]

Reliable TPH next?

Glad to see a great endorsement of the quality of manufacturing. I had a German TPH and sold it for a lot back then 2,000.00 as it was Swiss military marked and with the box. Thought I would replace it with an American TPH that was not such a collector. Now have two with several spare magazines. Neither is reliable. Would still buy a new build if the Walther USA can build a reliable one. Wishing and dreaming. Anyone else?

 

[HOUSTON RICK]

Definitely an all around nice gun. Welcome to the club.

 

[Echo40]

Glad to see a great endorsement of the quality of manufacturing. I had a German TPH and sold it for a lot back then 2,000.00 as it was Swiss military marked and with the box. Thought I would replace it with an American TPH that was not such a collector. Now have two with several spare magazines. Neither is reliable. Would still buy a new build if the Walther USA can build a reliable one. Wishing and dreaming. Anyone else?

While I doubt that Walther would revive the TPH right now when .22/.25 Mouse Guns are no longer trendy, I too would buy a new TPH if they were to put them back into production.

That being said, the PPK/S-22 makes for an excellent, inexpensive plinker, so you may want to consider one of those.

 

[97ViperGTS]

New Walther USA PPK/s is a PIG!

It devoured everything I've ever fed it! Without any hitches!

Can't say that for my old Interarms PPK and THP. They were both MONEY PITS... trying to get them to function right/be reliable.

New Walter USA THP? I'd be up for one if it was as good as my new PPK/s!

 

[Puller]

I must say, I much prefer the smoother lines and stampings of the newer Walther USA PPK/S to the last generation S&W PPK/S. My S&W PPK/S has sharp edges at the muzzle end of the slide which taper off into a pair of little fang-like points,

Ha, that part about the little fangs described my Interarms PPK/S to a tee. I agree with Faulkner, the earlier version PPK/S in .380 ACP is not fun to shoot. The one I had (and eventually sold) would draw blood after shooting a dozen or so rounds due to the fangs and sharp edges.

Even so, the PPK/S has an attraction so much so that I need to check out the Fort Smith version.

 

[Jerry in SC]

Glad to see a great endorsement of the quality of manufacturing. I had a German TPH and sold it for a lot back then 2,000.00 as it was Swiss military marked and with the box. Thought I would replace it with an American TPH that was not such a collector. Now have two with several spare magazines. Neither is reliable. Would still buy a new build if the Walther USA can build a reliable one. Wishing and dreaming. Anyone else?

The US made .22's were hit or miss, I owned several. The last one I bought new in 1992 was 100% reliable with standard velocity. The first one only worked with Stingers. I found a near new one a number of years ago and it's been very reliable with most decent ammo, it runs really well with SK Plus and SK Semi Auto.

I had heard Mid South Industries (multiple manufacturing companies under that umbrella) had an issue with a casting (slide) and stopped production for a while; I don't recall if they ever got it resolved.

Unrelated, but several of the later production TPH's (plastic box with two mags) I examined had been machined almost through the frame under the right grip panel as well.

I'd love to see another US made version done right.

 

[Echo40]

Ha, that part about the little fangs described my Interarms PPK/S to a tee. I agree with Faulkner, the earlier version PPK/S in .380 ACP is not fun to shoot. The one I had (and eventually sold) would draw blood after shooting a dozen or so rounds due to the fangs and sharp edges.

Even so, the PPK/S has an attraction so much so that I need to check out the Fort Smith version.

That's interesting, all of the Interarms versions I've seen have been very smooth. Was yours by any chance a late production model made in the 90s? I ask because I've heard that late production Interarms models weren't as nice, but I've never actually seen one. Supposedly late 90s production Interarms models were outsourced to another manufacturer since Ranger went out of business, and that the new manufacturer implemented a lot of cost-saving measures, which resulted in poorer fit/finish from earlier examples.

The history of PPK manufacturing really is quite a tangled web... For example, did you know that the frames of S&W models were actually produced by Ruger? It's crazy, but it's true!
I listed all of the common examples previously, but omitted transitional variants for the sake of simplicity. Yes, in addition to those I previously mentioned, there are a whole lot of transitional pieces which took place between production runs, many of which are unfortunately of inferior quality due to a variety of reasons from worn out tooling from the last generation, machinery which hadn't yet been broken in on the next generation, inexperienced workers on the next generation who weren't quite familiar with what they were working with, parts compatibility between generations due to variances in tolerances, minor changes in materials, minor changes in how finishes were applied, etc.

For example, my S&W PPK/S is a late production model made in Houlton Maine, which tend to be more reliable than early production models made in Springfield Massachusetts, but with substantially poorer fit/finish. So my S&W PPK/S has been 100% reliable, but it had sharp edges all over it, the frame to slide fit is a bit loose with some side to side play, and the inside of the frame is a bit rough.

 

[quikdraw67]

I had one of the Ft. Smith made stainless PPK/s pistols. It shot fine, and it was well made.

But, the extended tang rubbed me on the 1st joint of my thumb, and after shooting it a few times, I'd be bleeding.

So I sold it. Too bad, it was a nice piece.

If it had the original style tang, I would have kept it for sure.

I do have the PPK/s. 22, that's a fun gun to shoot.

I'm going to post a range Report later on about it.

 

[rockquarry]

I only have a couple of Walthers left; I've had both over twenty years, a P4 9mm and a PPK/S .22. The latter has the Interarms stamp. I've been unable to get decent grouping with the .22 at 25 yards. I don't shoot this gun often. That fact along with a lack of skill would probably indicate the problem is with the shooter, but I never had this happen with any of the PPK/S .380s I had. They would all shoot even cast bullets well at 25 yards.

However, CCI SV and CCI Blazer have been more accurate than anything else and they function the gun reliably.

 

[Grayfox]

I'm a long time fan of the Walther PP series pistols. I have German made, interarms imported, Ranger, Umarex and S&W models. I haven't had a chance to check out any of the Ft. Smith guns. Thanks for the review. I'll keep an eye out for them.
I have one of the newer Umarex Walther .22s. Its great little gun, but mine was a bit ammo sensitive. Oddly enough, this thing just absolutely loves cheap old Remington Thunderbolts.
I also have one of the Interarms/Ranger TPH .22LR. These guns are known to be troublesome and mine was. I sent it to M&M Gunsmithing. They are true Walther experts. Mike got it working like a champ. Now it'll eat anything and never misses a beat.
If Ft Smith were to start making the TPH in .25acp, I'd be all over it.

 

[wx7b]

I want a stainless Model PP, hoping someday. But, I can't get interested in an over $800 380.

 

[Gene L]

I've not seen a stainless PP. Are you sure they exist? PPKs and PPK/S, yep. Stainless P-guns are made in the USA, and we never to my limited understanding, made a PP in America.

 

[Marshal Tom]

I had a beautiful German PP in.22 that I sold several years ago and may get back. I owned a Interarms PPks and one of the crappy S&W stainless ones at one point. I love the look and the design but never cared for the sharp edges when firing it. They are also snappy as stated above. There are so many 9mm guns out now that are the same size with a bunch more power.

 

[Gene L]

Yeah, my PPK .380, loaded, weighs as much as my Sig 365 loaded. Four more rounds of more powerful 9mm. However, I don't mind. One doesn't carry a PPK because it's the most efficient auto pistol ever made. Clearly there are "better" carry guns out there. If one is actually anticipating trouble, carry something bigger than even a 9mm para. But a P-gun is still a fine weapon for us traditionalists. I don't fool myself in thinking it's No. 1 in stopping power, but I enjoy carrying it.

 

[colt_saa]

I've not seen a stainless PP. Are you sure they exist? PPKs and PPK/S, yep. Stainless P-guns are made in the USA, and we never to my limited understanding, made a PP in America.

Perhaps they are making them now, but they have never been made in the past as production items

There are so many 9mm guns out now that are the same size with a bunch more power.

More power yes, but they lack the Old World Charm and Charisma of the Walther PP family of autoloaders