Bought it thinking about the wife...but..

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I was in the lgs picking up a dandy 27-2 nickel looong barrel that had been shipped to me and was looking over the plastic ware in the display case. December 24..and no "gift" for the wife. She is a recently new LTC holder. Hmm..

Hellcat...hey what a dandy name. Reminds me of her. Nice sights..light..simple. Decent trigger. 11 rounds of 9mm! I thought it was a 380. Not a bad little gun and reasonably priced. Eh..I could give her a 642...

.."Just got a used one of those in with a flashlight" the counter dude exclaims. "Let you have it for $360 out the door".

I take a look..3 mags all paperwork etc and some sort of decent flashlight on the end..which also has a laser.

"$360, tax included??"

"You got cash?"

"Yup". Deal

Brought it home. Told the wife.

"Hellcat?!!" That's what you think of me?" "Um..of course not"! It's the guns name. Not impressed was she..

So today I shot it. Accurate enough and then some...gobbled 100 rounds of white box Winchester without a hiccup..and didn't beat my trigger finger up or my hand like many micro guns do in 9mm.

I'm impressed enough to keep it for myself.

Hellcat indeed!
 

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Not even going there. Had a few thoughts but think I will just say that they are pretty nice little guns. I love the sights on them and the trigger isn't bad. I had them on my recommended list for those that are looking for that type of concealed carry.
 
Congratulations on your new Hellcat!

Sounds like it's time to trade in your old one though. ;)
 
I think I’ll keep it and let her have the P3AT I’ve been using as a house gun. I’m not sure she’s going to like practicing with it. The mag is a bit stiff and the recoil is snappy. She not much of a shooter. As in fuggedaboutit. :)

Sig P250 subcompact in 380 is a good bet, but good luck finding one. After that, 380EZ or the new Ruger Security 380 come to mind.
 
I’m not buying this story…. You bought it for yourself, hoping she wouldn’t want it! And “giving her” the P3AT? I wouldn’t give one of those to someone I didn’t like…. How’s about taking her to the range, letting her decide what she wants after renting a few or more to try? And if she’s a fuggedaboutit, skip a pistol you want to buy for yourself and buy her something sparkly that she will surely enjoy more then a keltec!

Regards and Happy New Year’s,
Rick Gibbs
 
The Hellcat has literally stopped me from looking for and buying the next, latest micro-9. I went through 8-9 including a P365 right before the HC. The little bugger checks all the boxes (for me) for a tiny niney. BEST of all, it is by far the most reliable I have owned. It just shoots everything and has never malfunctioned. With a spare 13rd mag, I can carry a 1/2 box of ammo in a small package.
 
How do you hold the diamonds on the pistol? Super glue?

Ask El Chapo, he’ll know.

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I think I’ll keep it and let her have the P3AT I’ve been using as a house gun. I’m not sure she’s going to like practicing with it. The mag is a bit stiff and the recoil is snappy. She not much of a shooter. As in fuggedaboutit. :)

That will go a long way toward ensuring she never becomes or wants to become much of a shooter.

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This isn’t directed at you as I don’t for a minute buy your story about getting it for her, but the biggest mistake guys make with women and guns are:

1) buying a gun *for* their significant other. If she’s worth having she has a mind of her own and can buy her own gun. You want to pay for it, knock yourself out, but she needs to be the one picking it out.

2) Deciding what she needs or setting parameters based on your preferences and hang ups.

An effective pistol or revolver needs to fit the shooter’s hand so that:
- they can grip it comfortably;
- so that the sights are both visible and aligned or almost aligned when they raise the handgun up into their line of sight as they look at a target; and
- the trigger reach is short enough that they can get enough finger on the trigger to properly control the trigger.

If the front sight isn’t visible at all, or is way too high relative to the rear sight, it’s probably never going to work well for them. You might be able fix it on models with different grip frame inserts or spring housings, and in some cases with different grips, but you’re starting out way behind the power curve. If the sights are not pretty close to being aligned when they grip it naturally they will never shoot it as well as they would a handgun that fits them better.

Similarly, and particularly with DA/SA, or DAO handguns. They need to be able to get their trigger finger on the trigger all the way up to the crease of the joint of their trigger finger in order to have sufficient leverage to fire it to its accuracy potential in DA mode.

3) A large caliber isn’t important. You may be a caliber snob and feel anything less than 9mm isn’t a good choice for a defensive round. But the fact it out of the 2 million or so defensive handgun uses per year at least 95% of them don’t even involve the weapon being fired.

Way too many guys like to prep for the worst case, envisioning a gang of 300 pound assailants high on meth. The reality is that if you find yourself in that scenario the odds are high that you exercised really bad judgment and SA to get in that mess.

The reality is that 95% of the time an assailant seeks a softer target as soon as he or she becomes aware the victim is armed and is fixing to shoot them if they don’t stop their assault, intended assault or approach to assault.

In about 50% of those rare cases where the gun is fired and the assailant is shot, the assailant is going to surrender or flee because they don’t want to get shot again, regardless of the caliber used.

And if you look at the big data, the mouse gun .22LR and .32 ACP perform surprisingly well. A large part of that is the ability of the armed citizen to shoot them very accurately and very rapidly due to minimal recoil.

4) Small size isn’t important. I hear local gun shop staff tell people all the time that if a gun isn’t light weight a woman won’t carry it. That’s not the case with all women anymore than it is with all guys.

Sadly, we are seeing a big push for lighter smaller pistols, particularly lighter, smaller 9mm pistols, that isn’t driven by any need other than for gun companies to create new perceived needs to continue selling more handguns. (Personally, I never needed a reason to buy another one., so I don’t really get that approach.)

But there is no free lunch and the downside is that those lightweight micro sized pistols can be unpleasant to shoot, to the point that shooters:
- don’t shoot them enough to become proficient;
- don’t practice enough with them to remain proficient; and
- often develop a flinch in the process of trying to learn to shoot them and never become anywhere near proficient.

It’s far more productive to start someone out with a .22LR or .32 ACP. Then if the see the need and want more terminal performance, move them up to a full size or possibly compact sized 9mm or .38/.357 Mag revolver. And then maybe, if they want lighter weight move them down in size after they’ve become fairly accomp,I shed shooters. And if they never move beyond .22LR or .32 ACP, that’s just fine.

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When color is an option in a hand gun that fits them well, I do advise women to get the pretty pink, teal, etc option as it will help ensure their boyfriend or hubby doesn’t start carrying it.
 
1st Rule of being a good husband:
Don't buy your Wife the gun YOU think she needs to carry... You will be wrong

She won't practice with the gun you think she needs to carry... Because, you were wrong.

She won't carry the gun you think she needs to carry... Beacuase she won't want to practice with it... Because you were wrong.

SHE needs to look at the choices.
SHE needs to verify that she can operate it.
SHE needs to feel how it shoots (not just fondle it at the counter).
SHE needs to say 'I Want THIS One'.

We just went through this with my Wife's new Walther PDP-F.
She read about it and did her homework, She handled it at the counter, She shot it on the range, she said she wanted it...
THEN I bought it for her. :D
 
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4) Small size isn’t important. I hear local gun shop staff tell people all the time that if a gun isn’t light weight a woman won’t carry it. That’s not the case with all women anymore than it is with all guys.

Sadly, we are seeing a big push for lighter smaller pistols, particularly lighter, smaller 9mm pistols, that isn’t driven by any need other than for gun companies to create new perceived needs to continue selling more handguns. (Personally, I never needed a reason to buy another one., so I don’t really get that approach.)

But there is no free lunch and the downside is that those lightweight micro sized pistols can be unpleasant to shoot, to the point that shooters:
- don’t shoot them enough to become proficient;
- don’t practice enough with them to remain proficient; and
- often develop a flinch in the process of trying to learn to shoot them and never become anywhere near proficient.

It’s far more productive to start someone out with a .22LR or .32 ACP. Then if the see the need and want more terminal performance, move them up to a full size or possibly compact sized 9mm or .38/.357 Mag revolver. And then maybe, if they want lighter weight move them down in size after they’ve become fairly accomp,I shed shooters. And if they never move beyond .22LR or .32 ACP, that’s just fine.

Cannot agree with this more. When I first took my wife shooting, I started her with a .32ACP Walther PP clone. After a go with that, I gave her a Star Super B to try and she had no trouble with it. But I'm sure had it been a M&P Compact or some other small polymer pistol, things would not have gone so well.
 
1st Rule of being a good husband:
Don't buy your Wife the gun YOU think she needs to carry... You will be wrong

She won't practice with the gun you think she needs to carry... Because, you were wrong.

She won't carry the gun you think she needs to carry... Beacuase she won't want to practice with it... Because you were wrong.

SHE needs to look at the choices.
SHE needs to verify that she can operate it.
SHE needs to feel how it shoots (not just fondle it at the counter).
SHE needs to say 'I Want THIS One'.

We just went through this with my Wife's new Walther PDP-F.
She read about it and did her homework, She handled it at the counter, She shot it on the range, she said she wanted it...
THEN I bought it for her. :D

When I was married to wife 1.0 I gave her a Colt AR-15. She really didn’t want it but she saw that I had two Pythons…she picked one up and said “I’ll take this one.”

When we split up I never saw the AR-15 or the Python again. Such is life…cheap price to pay for happiness. Wife 2.0 is much improved.
 
I’m not buying this story…. You bought it for yourself, hoping she wouldn’t want it! And “giving her” the P3AT? I wouldn’t give one of those to someone I didn’t like…

In his defense, if your wife was the sort to look a gift horse in the mouth and get offended by your choice of terms of endearment, would you go out of your way to get them a thoughtful gift?

Personally, I believe him, he bought her a Hellcat thinking that it was suited for her, then she outright rejected it, so he chose to keep it for himself.
Worst case scenario, he's gotten so used to his wife rejecting gifts that now he buys gifts that he would like so that if she characteristically rejects it, then he isn't doesn't have to go through the headache of flipping it.

Overall, I think he handled it well. She rejected a thoughtful gift which conveys his heartfelt desire for her to remain safe, then got angry over him thinking of her as a "Hellcat" as a term of endearment, so he decided to keep it for himself and gave her an older firearm of lower quality.

Hopefully this year Hi-Point will come out with a new handgun named "The Shrew" or "The Harpy" which he can give her as a Holiday gift which will more adequately reflect her temperament.
 
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In his defense, if your wife was the sort to look a gift horse in the mouth and get offended by your choice of terms of endearment, would you go out of your way to get them a thoughtful gift?

Personally, I believe him, he bought her a Hellcat thinking that it was suited for her, then she outright rejected it, so he chose to keep it for himself.
Worst case scenario, he's gotten so used to his wife rejecting gifts that now he buys gifts that he would like so that if she characteristically rejects it, then he isn't doesn't have to go through the headache of flipping it.

Overall, I think he handled it well. She rejected a thoughtful gift which conveys his heartfelt desire for her to remain safe, to which she rejected it then got angry over him thinking of her as a "Hellcat" as a term of endearment, she he decided to keep it for himself and gave her an older firearm of lower quality.

Hopefully this year Hi-Point will come out with a new handgun named "The Shrew" or "The Harpy" which he can give her as a Holiday gift which will more adequately reflect her temperament.

I didn't see in the OP where the wife got a chance to shoot it.;) Did she bite on the name, sure. But some people are always looking for hidden meanings that aren't there.

Letting your wife shoot a gun you particularly like can be dangerous. Letting my wife shoot my Grand Power K100 cost me a Grand Power P1. I'm afraid to let her shoot my Q1s, but I think the tougher racking of the striker gun may put her off.
 
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I wouldn't know, I'm not married, furthest I ever got was an engagement which I ultimately broke off, and never looked back since.

I don't understand what the problem is with a husband selecting a gun as a gift for his wife. Sure, it would probably turn out better if he asked her to pick one out for herself, but that would defeat the purpose of it being a surprise, and it doesn't excuse being so unnecessary rude about it.

Admittedly, I have some rather strong feelings on the subject, which can be summed up as distaste towards wives whose actions I interpret as disrespectful or otherwise inconsiderate, such as rejecting an otherwise thoughtful gift, nitpicking a term of endearment by treating it as an insult in context.

Furthermore, I strongly dislike women who make outrageous demands of their husbands, such as demanding their husband to relinquish a firearm which their husband enjoys shooting just because it isn't as enjoyable for them to shoot. That isn't respectful, it isn't considerate, and it most certainly the behavior of a loving, supportive, or worthwhile romantic companion.
So yeah, if husbands like their wives to treat them in that manner, then more power to them, but I find it distinctively undesirable.
 

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