Brad Pitt Goes to 'War' with S&W M1917

The only reason that the US came out on top in tank warfare against the Germans was numerical superiority, not better tanks. Same for the Russians.


Very true, for the most part. The other big advantage was the far-superior reliability of the Shermans and the maintenance battalions that kept them in service. The 3rd Reich was great at designing wonder-weapons, not so good at logistics.

On the eastern front, the Russian T-34 was probably the most advanced tank in the conflict. I think the Russians needed so many because they weren't terribly good at tactics, of which their chief one was to overwhelm the Germans with numbers, whether tanks or soldiers.
 
Any substantive resemblance between Platoon/Full Metal Jacket, except for a few details, and the Vietnam war are purely coincidental. Those "Vietnam" movies were fanciful tales of totally unrealistic characters. Those movies didn't "do" anything for the Vietnam war. They actually made the average American soldier look bad.

So I suppose no American GIs smoked dope, shot heroin, or killed civilians during the whole Vietnam War? Okay, if you say so.

Regarding this new movie with Brad Pitt. Love the gun. But for crying out loud, couldn't they find an actor in his early 20s to play the tank commander? Pitt is 50 years old!

I had to laugh when I read that. Fifty is so incredibly old, isn't it? Older than dirt, I reckon. Tell you what...I sure wouldn't mind being fifty again. Should we just pretend there were no fifty-year-old soldiers and/or commanders in WWII? I think this has already been covered in this thread.

I'm pretty sure there will be a whole lot more to see in Fury besides what kind of gun Brad Pitt carries in the film. I'm also confident that no one will really care how old he is.

Fury is scheduled for an October release, by the way.
 
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Very true, for the most part. The other big advantage was the far-superior reliability of the Shermans and the maintenance battalions that kept them in service. The 3rd Reich was great at designing wonder-weapons, not so good at logistics.

On the eastern front, the Russian T-34 was probably the most advanced tank in the conflict. I think the Russians needed so many because they weren't terribly good at tactics, of which their chief one was to overwhelm the Germans with numbers, whether tanks or soldiers.

I remember reading somewhere that Russian T-34 drivers were equipped with a hand sledgehammer. The driver had to smack the gearshift handle with it in order to change gears.
 
I listen to Tom Gresham on the radio on Sundays. He knew Col. Charles Askins. He said Askins was a mean MOF. Would rather shoot than talk. I have read Col. Askins articles for years & never thought of him as a great author. I guess when he was on the Border Patrol he caught all sorts of Hell from his superiors for his actions.Finally had to leave.
 
Ok, gentlemen, start your engines. FURY is set to open October 17. My buddies here are already agitating for a Boys-Night-Out Movie to see Brad Pitt and pals defeat the Wehrmacht.

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Saw it today , intrigued by Pitt's holster.

Yes , there was a wide age range in WWII . Give or take exact birthdates , my Father would have entered the Navy at aprox 25yo , and my FIL was drafted into USMC at aprox 27yo ( he was farming , and probably had been exempted in earlier draft rounds ).

As per Askins himself in Unrepentent Sinner : in North Africa carried a Pachymer Accurized 1911 . In Europe carried a New Service in .38Spl. In mid '50s was assigned as marksmanship advisor to the Vietnamese National Police. He was writting for the gun/hunting publications on the side also , and in that capacity received one of the very first M29's for review . One day while off duty , was out hunting, and came across a Viet Minh , and dispatched him with a headshot. He believed he was the first person to kill anyone with a .44Mag , and from the timing was probably correct.
 
My mother's fiance, 2nd Lieutenant Ralph E Waffle was killed commanding a Sherman with the 67th Armored in 1944. His mother and my mother accepted his posthuminus DSC. After the war she married my Dad, an Air Corps vet and it turned out pretty well.
 
Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie are good, hard core gun people. Pitt built an expensive shooting range on one of his home properties.

I look forward to seeing it

P
 
I dragged my wife (kicking and screaming - she hates "war movies") to see "FURY" last night. At the end, she agreed it was a gripping and powerful movie.

As a WWII buff, I was primarily interested in the weaponry and whether or not they got the details right. In general they did. One of the most often noticed things in other WWII movies was the fact that most M1 carbines did not have adjustable rear sights or bayonet lugs, yet carbines have often been portrayed with them. In FURY, all the carbines fit the standard WWII configuration, with no bayonet lugs. The M1 rifles of WWII had gas cylinders that lost the painted-on dark finish with wear, making them noticeably lighter than the barrel. This detail was also observed. The German weapons, notably the MP44/StG44 assault rifle, the panzerfausts and the K98ks, were spot on, as were the MP40s. The uniforms and equipment looked accurate as well.

I understand their technical adviser was a Brit Iraq War veteran - he did a great job.

I noticed only one procedural glitch, and it's almost a given in war movies. I heard one guy on the military radio saying "Over and out." It's either "over" or "out," not both, and any GI who has ever used a military radio learns that quickly.

I think this movie did a good job of showing the grit, pain, dirt, mud and fatigue of combat, as well perhaps as "Saving Private Ryan" and "Band of Brothers." I also think it's important to portray these things accurately, if only to make the general populace aware of what these guys went through for their country.

I loved seeing the Shermans in the mud, and noticed their tactics against the superior German Tiger tanks were also accurate, particularly maneuvering around to hit those tanks in the rear where their armor was not as thick.

My stepfather-in-law fought as a captain in an armored unit under Patton and Abrams in WWII, and my next door neighbor when I was a kid was in a tank destroyer outfit in the battle of the Ardennes forest, escaping death by the skin of his teeth when his tank destroyer was held in reserve while two others went up and were obliterated by Tigers.

FURY captured a lot of (simulated) blood and gore on film, and the language was Patton-esque. This was warranted for realism. The final scenes were a bit Hollywood, but kept us riveted to our seats.

All in all, I'd give it an "A" rating. Enjoyable, realistic, and gutsy. I'd recommend it for anyone interested in how it really was for GIs in that fracas.

John
 
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I have never told this story before because it is rather long, but here goes. My uncle was in WWII at Bataan and survived the death march, hell ships and forced labor camps in Japan.
Starving, the troops ate all the mules, then ate the cavalry mounts, then started hunting monkeys in the jungle.

I wonder if your uncle and mine knew each other. Did your uncle ever go to the Fontana reunions? Mine worked forced labor in the Hiroshima 6-B coal mine. He rarely spoke to anyone in the family about it but I seemed to be the exception.

I heard those same stories about the starving and hunting monkeys. He told me not long before surrender, he had to decide whether to use his .30-06 ammo in his Springfield to fight the Japanese or use it to shoot monkeys for food.

CW
 
Since the subject of Patton's wheel guns came up, IMFDB has several photos of botht he real thing and the 'hero' gun carried by George C. Scott in Patton.

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Patton's actual SAA.

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Patton's actual revolvers and leather gear.

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Top - hero gun, bottom - Patton's real SAA.

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Top - hero gun, bottom - Patton's real Registered Magnum.

And no, he never removes his RM from its holster. He used the SAA to shoot the mules.

my FIL was drafted into USMC at aprox 27yo ( he was farming , and probably had been exempted in earlier draft rounds ).

I mean absolutely no disrespect, but how was drafted into the Marines? The only scenario I can image is if he was drafted into the Army and a Marine recruiter selected him to fill a quota.
 
I mean absolutely no disrespect, but how was drafted into the Marines? The only scenario I can image is if he was drafted into the Army and a Marine recruiter selected him to fill a quota.[/quote]

When you were drafted, you went to an induction center and were classified.
Service needs were paramount. I know folks who joined the AF/Navy to avoid the Possibility of being assigned to the Army/Marines.
Let's pick on my Dad. In WWII He was longer in the tooth than most draftees. They kept moving the bar until he was drafted.
When he got down to Camp Shelby, MS he was examined and classified.
Too old for Army - Marines. The Navy needed 'skill' rating folks,
Navy it is. When he finished Boot Camp up in Idaho, he was a Carpenter's Mate 3rd Class.
In the The post draft world that you are familiar with, the Recruiters compete head on for the young Americans who are willing to risk it all and defend the country.
Tom what his name said that the WWII folks were the greatest generation.
They were great!
But I'm not so sure that the present generation aren't the Greatest Generation. They are all volunteers.
God Bless Them All!
 
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Interesting posts. Watched "Fury" last night on DVD. Worth a look. Pitt's character speaks German but no explanation (that I picked up) of why.
 
To show you how far that I have come. During Desert Storm, I was flying duty on a C-141 I was issued a snub nosed victory before each flight due to low penetration within aircrew cabin. All that time and I never noticed whether it was a Smith and Wesson or a Colt.
 
for the full story of the M4 Sherman tank read "Death Traps" by the late Benton Y. Cooper. He was a tank recovery officer in the ETO. The story is absolutely chilling. I have great respect for our tankers and the dangers they faced. My uncle was a paratrooper in the 82nd and would only say that they couldn't pay him enough to be a tanker.
 
I rented the DVD from Redbox last night. As others have noted, it is very realistic and I saw no significant technical errors. After about the first 5 minutes, my wife decided she didn't want to see it and left the room. Did Shermans actually have an escape hatch in the floor?
 
Interesting posts. Watched "Fury" last night on DVD. Worth a look. Pitt's character speaks German but no explanation (that I picked up) of why.

His mother was German and from the area they were fighting through. The blu-ray has 50 minutes of deleted and extended scenes that really flesh out the movie but they are separate, I expect a directors cut to come out that will make a great movie even better. The extended scene where Norman is riding on top of the tank is where Pitt explains how his back got burned before the war, how he was in jail when war stared and more.
 
I finally watched Fury. Had bought it on Blu-Ray. It had sold out at two big DVD outlets here in its first week of release.

I like the film a lot, even though parts of it were a bit hard to watch for me. Fantastic cinematography. Brad Pitt is great in the film, equal to or better than any other part he's played. The other actors do equally as well.

The film seemed very authentic to me. I'm sure I'll watch it several times in the future.
 
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