Brand New 460 ES Shooting Way Low and Left.

[biggduke81]

Wow.....this thing is way off 1 foot low and 6 inchs left @ 25 yds! UHhhh.. I hate it. I will be sending it back in to Smith & Wesson maybe it can be fixed.

 

[biggduke81]

Wow.....this thing is way off 1 foot low and 6 inchs left @ 25 yds! UHhhh.. I hate it. I will be sending it back in to Smith & Wesson maybe it can be fixed.

 

[redleg10]

Mine was shooting low also , had to raise the rear sight way up but windage was OK. What kind of loads are you using? I got good results with WW296 and 300 XTP mags. I'am getting over 1525 FPS, not bad for a 2 3/4 barrel.

 

[galland1]

Perhaps you are anticipating the recoil and pushing the gun.

 

[biggduke81]

I have been loading Hornady brass using XTP 240gr bullets pushed by 50gr of 296 and the XTP 300gr with 40gr of 296. I also burned up a box of Hornady 200gr FX factory loaded ammunition.
All ammo returned the same results.

 

[Iggy]

Maybe you should let someone else shoot it and see if they get the same results before you send it in.

You may be anticipating the recoil and bucking into it which tends to push it low and left.

Might save you some expense and down time.

 

[stevieboy]

I recently bought a 686 SSR and the gun shot way low and right. All kinds of bleak thoughts went through my mind, including the possibility that the barrel was not correctly aligned. First thing I after that was shoot it off a rest. Still way low, but not to the right. That instantly led me to conclude that the "low" part was a sight adjustment problem and the "right" part was a me problem. I raised the sights and I concentrated on not flinching. Raising the sights cured the "low" problem instantly. The gun now shoots to POA at 25 yards. The "right" problem took some time but I've solved that, too, at least when I shoot right handed. Left handed (non-dominant for me) I still tend to shoot to the right, but I know that it's a "me" problem and not a gun problem.

 

[biggduke81]

Originally posted by Iggy:
Maybe you should let someone else shoot it and see if they get the same results before you send it in.

You may be anticipating the recoil and bucking into it which tends to push it low and left.

Might save you some expense and down time.

I must be "bucking" the same way for over 1000 rounds as I can putem low and left 9 of 10 times
Removing the rear sight elevation stud will put the sight as high as it will go with out someone bending the tang and still stooting 2in low at 25yds useing a 6 o-clock hold.
If ayone wants to shoot it let me know I have 500rds loaded ready to go..... I am in Vegas..

 

[Snapping Twig]

The faster the bullet, the lower it prints.

Maybe you could try some lighter loads to see where they print. I'd suggest a heavier bullet as well, that should slow things down and result in a higher POI.

Every gun is a world unto itself and no two can be counted on to perform the same. I'll bet your pistol prefers heavy bullets at moderate speed.

 

[biggduke81]

Originally posted by Snapping Twig:
The faster the bullet, the lower it prints.

Maybe you could try some lighter loads to see where they print. I'd suggest a heavier bullet as well, that should slow things down and result in a higher POI.

Every gun is a world unto itself and no two can be counted on to perform the same. I'll bet your pistol prefers heavy bullets at moderate speed.[/QUOTE

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[beaverislander]

Did you have two rear sites come with the 460, one for jacketed and one for lead bullets?

 

[MTKTM]

Originally posted by biggduke81:

Originally posted by Iggy:
Maybe you should let someone else shoot it and see if they get the same results before you send it in.

You may be anticipating the recoil and bucking into it which tends to push it low and left.

Might save you some expense and down time.

I must be "bucking" the same way for over 1000 rounds as I can putem low and left 9 of 10 times
Removing the rear sight elevation stud will put the sight as high as it will go with out someone bending the tang and still stooting 2in low at 25yds useing a 6 o-clock hold.
If ayone wants to shoot it let me know I have 500rds loaded ready to go..... I am in Vegas..

Well, if you didn't have a flinch previously I'd venture a guess that firing 1000 rounds of hot 460 might have given you one!!!

In that many rounds I'd imagine that you have tried shooting it from a bench or some sort of rest. If that doesn't make a difference in the point-of-impact then it must be the gun and a trip to Smith is in order. But it is a good idea to have one or two other people try it out first, good/experienced shooters preferably, in an effort to rule out human error.

 

[Redhawk1]

I think along the lines of others here, you my be anticipating the recoil and pushing forward with your hand. If that is not the case, get some 300 or 370 gr. hard cast bullets and give them a try.

If I lived in Vegas, I would take you up on your offer to shoot it, I know it would not be a much recoil as my 4 inch 500 mag with 700 gr. loads.

Everyone of my 460 Mag shot well, and I owned 6 of them. I did however have one buddy shot one, and it shot the same way as your did, but the guy shooting it, closed his eye when he pulled the trigger.

 

[sasu]

I know from personal experience that you can have such a consistent flinch that you shoot pretty nice groups, but they are not where you aim.

I also know from experience that people tend to flinch and anticipate recoil with big magnums and hit way off the point of aim. And they flinch with every shot, thus thinking the sights do not have enough adjustment range.

But sometimes the sights or the gun really are at fault. One way to find out is to have other people shoot the gun, preferably people accustomed to violent recoil.

 

[buck460XVR]

Originally posted by biggduke81:
I have been loading Hornady brass using XTP 240gr bullets pushed by 50gr of 296

wow, that's hot. According to Hodgdon, maker of W296, you're a grain and a half over max for the 240 grainers. As a matter of fact, it's over max in all four of my manuals for a 240 grn XTP........but that's your business. Gotta be a handfull with a snubbie tho.

Loading any more than 46.5 grns of 296/110 under a 240 XTP and I gotta knock the empties outta my XVR with a stick. My .460 printed a good 8 inches lower @ 50 yards shooting Hornady factory 200 SST loads as compared to my hand rolled 240s with 46.5 grns of 296.

 

[DonD]

Originally posted by biggduke81:
I have been loading Hornady brass using XTP 240gr bullets pushed by 50gr of 296

You might want to reconsider that load, biggduke. That load is 1.5gr over the MAX load listed by Hodgdon. Don

 

[Redhawk1]

Yep you are over max loads, I checked also. Faster bullets don't kill any better. Tame down your loads.

 

[DonD]

Buck460XVR, sorry for essentially duplicating your post. I checked the site and didn't see yours before looking at Hodgdon's site. Don

 

[magnum12pm]

I have never been able to figure out on this forum, with all the great ideals. Why so many refuse to set their sights off a sand bag or rest. When I have taken my rest to the range, someone uaually wants to try their weapon on it. They usually find out that the sights or the gun is not as far off as thought....Hmmm wonder what could be causing it. This may not apply to bigduke81, maybe it is the gun, but why not rule out the human factor a little?

 

[Joe Maccarrone]

If another shooter isn't handy to try it out, load it with only 2-3 live rounds in the cylinder, and see what happens when you hit the empty chambers. If the front sight suddenly nose-dives to the left, you'll know it's you and not the gun.

(Not being sarcastic -- that's just the best diagnostic test for trouble shooting heavy magnums...

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