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Bring enough gun. I most certainly hope so..
Don't forget John J. had a big knife too.
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Don't forget John J. had a big knife too.
Years ago when the wild hogs were rooting in my yard at night I would gut shoot them with my .280 so they would run off somewhere else to die. That didn't stop them. One night I eased outside and hosed them down with 7 rds of 00B from my A5. Only thing that finally stopped them was a 2 strand electric fence around my yard. Set a trap. Caught 27. Killed and dragged them off. I hate them! I don't care how they die as long as they are gone. I'd shoot one with a .22 in a heartbeat.
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Bring enough gun. I most certainly hope so..
Fine, but if has to come off the tripod, you're carrying it!
Texas Star
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When the USAF issued that weak FMJ .38 round they called the M-41, I felt undergunned and often drew a .45 auto as a duty weapon when there was a choice.
I've been known to carry two sidearms for woods walking if the possibility of needing to shoot something large was there - my Charter Arms SS Pathfinder .22 for plinking and small stuff and something like my Ruger flattop .44 special (a converted flattop .357).
BigBill
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Yep.
Parked the bike by a stream to have a smoke. Carrying a Kel Tec 32. 4 other bikers pulled up but not the clean cut type. They turned out to be nice guys but the 32 has been in the safe ever since (I'm thinking it's been 25 years).
Parked the bike by a stream to have a smoke. Carrying a Kel Tec 32. 4 other bikers pulled up but not the clean cut type. They turned out to be nice guys but the 32 has been in the safe ever since (I'm thinking it's been 25 years).
Doug M.
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Nor are they something I would want to take on with a .22.
I tend to agree: semi-auto's can present a bit more complexity for wilderness defense. There are certainly some very good designs out there, but the big issue is reliability of recoil and extraction/feeding. 10mm has become all the rage with a lot of self-proclaimed outdoorsy types (truthfully most of them stand a better chance of getting struck by lightning than ever running into a predator that would warrant 10mm). It's a great cartridge, but it also has a huge spectrum of loadings. Some 10mm semi-auto's seem very reliable across that spectrum, others not so much.
A revolver, though old-fashioned and limited in capacity, is simple: pull the trigger, pistol goes boom, new round rotates into place. Except for crimp jump (which is only relevant to the very lightest of snub-nosed revolvers), there isn't much that can go wrong on a revolver. And excepting 10mm and few oddball cartridges, there isn't much in the semi-auto world that can really compare to the traditional magnum revolver cartridges.
SeamasterSig
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I can see how it would appeal to someone who prefers an auto-loader. And it will certainly suffice for most imaginable scenarios, but 357 magnum still has the potential to outperform it by a considerable margin. And 41 magnum, which is closer in size, is significantly more powerful.
Add to that the inherent simplicity of a revolver and the fact that powerful semi-auto cartridges necessitate large grips even with single-stack magazines as well as the fact that the advantages normally cited for semi-autos don't add up to much in the woods... and I just don't see a reason to carry a semi-auto in the woods unless you don't have anything else.
SuperMan
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After occasionally carrying a .22 while woods walking for many years I decided a few years ago that a .22 may come with me but my primary woods walking gun would never be anything less than a .357 Magnum.
Since there is little small game to shoot here in NH and most of the time I'm not hunting while out there anyway, defense against 2 and 4 legged Kritters are the primary reason I carry a gun...and I would feel pretty stupid having a bunch of ceneterfire guns sitting at home when running into a pack of wild dogs or coyote armed just with a .22....
Bob
Since there is little small game to shoot here in NH and most of the time I'm not hunting while out there anyway, defense against 2 and 4 legged Kritters are the primary reason I carry a gun...and I would feel pretty stupid having a bunch of ceneterfire guns sitting at home when running into a pack of wild dogs or coyote armed just with a .22....
Bob
A .22 has and will take care of the above mentioned critters.
I know a rancher in southwest New Mexico who carries a .22 rifle and an ancient Colt 1911A1 in his truck. The .22 gets used most often to manage rabbit and burrowing critter populations. He told me the rabbits feed the coyotes so they will leave his cattle alone. And, less rabbits means less holes for his beeves to stumble into. He's a very practical man, that rancher.
I carry a 3" Model 13 .357, 629 .44 Mountain Gun, or HK USP .45 ACP when I'm in the field.
I carry a 3" Model 13 .357, 629 .44 Mountain Gun, or HK USP .45 ACP when I'm in the field.
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In 1974 I found myself in a gun battle w/three armed robbers fighting w/my issued Colt Detective Special .38 & only one reload. Turned out to be enough (had to finish things w/my blackjack) but I would have preferred a .223 backed up by a Marine rifle squad.
In 1974 I found myself...just out of diapers.
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.32ACP and Command Voice vs APBT
Was walking a city park trail in some city in Texas (Austin or San Antonio I suspect) with my wife and our dog, a 75lb German Shorthaired Pointer on a leash. I was armed with my Kel-Tec P-32. Some Chowderhead thought it was a good idea to walk his Pit Bull(1) on a public trail without a leash. APBT comes running up towards us at full speed, eyeballing us the whole way. I drag GSP and wife behind me, pull the Kel-Tec from my pocket and when APBT gets close enough, I break out my inner drill sergeant(2) and rgr face and hit the APBT with a "NO!" and and a "DOWN!" APBT put on the breaks and skidded to a stop about 10' away. One more word, "MOVE!" and a gesture got him moving back down the trail. A moment later Chowderhead Owner comes around a bend and meets APBT and grabs hold his collar. I kept P-32 out and gave Chowderhead Owner the stink eye as he walked past us, hand on APBT collar.
Nowadays, I kick the concealed carry piece up a notch when out with family. If I would engage in that activity by my lonesome happy with a P-32, with family I tote a .38spl J-frame. and so forth: P-32 .32ACP > .38spl J-frame > .38spl K-frame > .45ACP 1911 LtWt Cdr > .45ACP GM 1911 > SW686 .357 > SW629 .44mag
Nowadays, my minimalist woods-carry gun is a SW638 J-frame stoked with UNderwood or Buffalo Bore hard cast wadcutters. I'll move up from there depending on circumstances.
(1) I can tell the difference between most bully breeds: APBT, Bull Terrier, Boxer, American Bull Dog, etc. I like them for what they are, but some of their owners need a salutary beating.
(2) The NCOs at the unit I ended up at were much more tough and unforgiving of error than the drill sgts at Basic & AIT, but they tended to be more soft-spoken about things.
.22LR Crickett and (maybe) .45ACP SW9111SC vs Feral Hog
Out squirrel hunting on national forest land with my 10YO daughter. She is toting a single-shot .22LR Crickett rifle with a 4x scope. I am toting my SW1911SC .45ACP and a Gerber MKII on my belt. Rules state that hogs are OK to hunt with whatever gun is legal for the season. Squirrel & rabbit season is shotgun with non-toxic bird shot or rimfire. So my 1911 was not to be used in hunting hog, just vs 2-legged critters. I had, however, had my daughter train up vs squirrel and hog silhouettes at the range. Got to hit either in the right space to anchor them. Squirrel from under shoulders up to skull (heart & lungs and CNS), hogs in the ear (CNS). She did alright.
We did the usual squirrel hunt thing: walk the woods a bit until reach a likely spot, sit down on bitty stools, kick back, be silent, and wait. Maybe scrape a couple quarters together. No luck that day, but as we were going back toward the truck, I hear a hog rooting a ways off in a small stand of trees, with lots of brush going up to 4'. I wanted to see if we could sneak up on them. Not to get a shot, more to just see if she could hold it together on a stalk. Well, she did just fine. We got within 25 yards, there was no breeze I could detect. We got eyes on one of the hogs and I called it good enough. Her rifle was zeroed at 25 yards with the little 40gr solid, but it would have been from the standing position, as there was no rest and my shoulder as I was kneeling was not quite enough elevation over the scrub. It was a good exercise and we both enjoyed the thrill.
Were I alone, I would have likely taken the shot, but that was too much pressure for a 10YO girl. As we left, she told me, "Daddy, next time I want to shoot a hog."
In any case, two years later she got an axis doe with her 6.5 Grendel AR15.
Grown quit fond of .22magnum the past few years and will often take my CZ 452FS/mannlicher stock for a evening walk in Penn's Woods. Will usually back it up with either my 3" 66 or 3" 60-10; think micro 686.....just in case.
I also have a Ruger 77/357 with a a 1-3x20 Weaver shotgun scope...... as a general purpose "utility rifle" at the cabin...loaded with 158gr soft point ammo out of a 18" barrel ....... gets me 1700-1800fps and 1000-1100fpe
Ka-bar's Mark I Deck knife with it's 5" blade is a great general purpose utility knife.....
I also have a Ruger 77/357 with a a 1-3x20 Weaver shotgun scope...... as a general purpose "utility rifle" at the cabin...loaded with 158gr soft point ammo out of a 18" barrel ....... gets me 1700-1800fps and 1000-1100fpe
Ka-bar's Mark I Deck knife with it's 5" blade is a great general purpose utility knife.....
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Carry on,
Bob S.
Who makes those grips? They are what I have been looking for!
Messer
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These are Ahrends Grips Retro Banana...
Ahrends Grips : Smith & Wesson Retro Grips
I really like them!
Bob S.
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Scrateshooter
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SKS and a Taurus 445 snub
Hogn on the cheap
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00Buck2
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Here is an interesting read for this thread. Kinda shows what other people have done in the past when they didn't bring enough gun but needed a gun.
Although I have no bears around me, I enjoy reading these ammoland articles.
Pistols or Handguns 95% Effective When Used to Defend Against Bear Attacks, 63 Cases
Although I have no bears around me, I enjoy reading these ammoland articles.
Pistols or Handguns 95% Effective When Used to Defend Against Bear Attacks, 63 Cases
Doug M.
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I've never known anyone who has been in a physical confrontation to wish they were smaller and weaker, and none of my friends who were in violent encounters with firearms wanted a smaller platform and smaller cartridge.
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Steve W
Boneless Turtle Meat 2 lb bag
Turtle soup, turtle sauce piquant, delicious!
Steve W
This would be a much more fun thread if more posters would share stories and life experiences to the OP's query. For myself, I'm typically either armed (and then over-armed), or not armed at all. Neither position is admirable. I'm just being honest.
Just saying
Bring enough gun? I have shot prairie dogs with a 30-06 and watched them crawl back down their holes after being lifted off the ground by the impact of the bullets hitting them in the body. My best shot that was witnessed was one 75 grain HP from a 25-06 that killed 5 prairie dogs sunning themselves on top of a mound. There were 8 dogs in that group.
I don't have a recommendation for hogs, bears and other critters that bite.
Bring enough gun? I have shot prairie dogs with a 30-06 and watched them crawl back down their holes after being lifted off the ground by the impact of the bullets hitting them in the body. My best shot that was witnessed was one 75 grain HP from a 25-06 that killed 5 prairie dogs sunning themselves on top of a mound. There were 8 dogs in that group.
I don't have a recommendation for hogs, bears and other critters that bite.
HOUSTON RICK
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The best gun to buy is the one that you will carry, because the best gun to use is the one that you have.
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Scrateshooter
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I took a PSA 10.5" pistol build with an A1 upper and early 90s Gen 2 Glock 19 in 9mm. KaBar USN Mk1 came along also and extra magazine for each.
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HamHands
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I debated that option.
Agreed "Scrates..."
Oh yes... These are euphemistically my favorite "pistols"... If stuff gets UGLY... I'm grabbing both of these dirty "B's" and heading Deeper into these hills myself. Being a true "Scot"... (The Hills) are my favorite place to be, Ever! Such as our revent move to the Carolina Hills. It pained me to leave my home state of Georgia. But I feel so at home in these blue hills almost as much as I did in Athens or Roswell GA but time will make things even better. My girls love here it too so that's a plus! Enough about me and back to the "Pistols" at hand...
"I walked about 1/2 mile and shot at a few snapping turtles and whatnot. I was creeping around a small pond to catch some snappers slipping on logs in a slough."
A college buddy would invite me down to the family farm in Southwest Alabama. Several creeks ran through the land and a small river was the western border. Beavers had dammed up one of the creeks and the swamp was full of snapping turtles. There were several folks that lived on the farm and grew crops. The lady that lived there complained that the catfishing had dropped to nothing.
So, when we went down to the farm, the goal was to thin the snapping turtles. My buddy owned a .44 AutoMag and I managed to bust a turtle at about 50 yards with his hand cannon. After a few visits, the catfishing was back to normal, especially considering that catfish are bottom feeders. I guess catfish like turtle too.
A college buddy would invite me down to the family farm in Southwest Alabama. Several creeks ran through the land and a small river was the western border. Beavers had dammed up one of the creeks and the swamp was full of snapping turtles. There were several folks that lived on the farm and grew crops. The lady that lived there complained that the catfishing had dropped to nothing.
So, when we went down to the farm, the goal was to thin the snapping turtles. My buddy owned a .44 AutoMag and I managed to bust a turtle at about 50 yards with his hand cannon. After a few visits, the catfishing was back to normal, especially considering that catfish are bottom feeders. I guess catfish like turtle too.
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