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Just curious if anyone here has noticed their ammo dropping down into the casing when chambering the same round over and over? I carry one in the pipe but when I go to bed at night I usually take the round out because I sleep walk when I'm exhausted and I'm afraid of what could happen. I found if I put my gun under my covers (side of my bed) I never touch it when sleep walking but I still remove the round in the chamber just to be safe.

After a few weeks or so I notice that my bullet starts to sink down into the casing, starts to look like a 380 lol. These are reman hollow points I carry but I'm curious if it's just them or does fresh brass do the same thing?
 
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You would be wise to discard those rounds because in my opinion they are unsafe to shoot. A bullet too far into a case will generate extreme pressures that could cause the gun to fail and come apart. A properly crimped bullet will not move in the case. You must have some improperly made ammo. Stay with good quality factory ammo and your problem will be solved.
 
Safety First

First, I commend you for putting safety first as you're a sleep-walker. It's wise practice for all armed individuals to keep a handgun out of reach when sleeping so as to give you ample opportunity to awaken a bit before confronting that bump in the night.

The bullet pushback is a potentially dangerous condition as this can raise chamber pressure dramatically. These rounds should be destroyed. I'm also thinking that you're doing something wrong to cause the pushback. If you ride the slide home in the belief that you're extending the gun's life, the round often collides with the bottom of the feed ramp rather than riding the ramp into the chamber. That constant mild hammering of the slide against the loaded round may be pushing the bullet further into the case.
 
I see, guess I will carry different rounds then for my daily use. I'm going to guess ride the slide means gently racking the slide? If so then I don't do that.

I use a SD9VE if that helps, but seems like a simple fix, will destroy those rounds that were caved in and get some factory HP rounds tomorrow to solve this problem asap. Thank you both for helping and sharing some wisdom with me :)
 
Those are not safe to shoot .. they would be over pressured rounds and the over pressure could cause substantial damage to your gun and yourself if you would shoot them !!

would be best to put them in a can of oil for a few weeks so they won't fire !!
 
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it's not that your brand/choice of ammo is unsafe or defective... but none of it is meant to be chambered & unloaded 20 or 30 times before it is shot... & possibly more if you bought that box of ammo 2 months ago & have been doing this every night before bed....

Get one of those lil bed side safes that is unlocked by a simple 5 button combination or a palm print that you can keep your carry gun in every night... that way you can keep it loaded.. yet it will take a conscious rational decision to gain access to it....Heck MidwayUSA carries them& I'm sure Brownell, Graf's and the other web site dealers have them too....

added: loaded ammo with bullets seated far deeper than normal, will have pressures raised to terrible levels.... ammo like that needs to be dis-mantled, never shot ... after re-sizing the brass case, the cases & bullets can be re-used ... as can the factory primer... but you definitely need to take the powder from the dismantled ammo & sprinkle it on your flower beds or garden/yard.

We use one of the plastic hammer dismantling tools that you place the round in (follow the directions that come with it) and rap it sharply against a linoleum floor or hard wood floor... your lady/signifigant other might get unduly peeved if you rap it against a nice piece of furniture... again one of the big web site places will carry a variety of those too.. they are very in-expensive... & the better ones come with a lifetime warranty...
 
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Well I don't get that fancy...I just take the lead out with pliers, dump the powder outside, and then strike the primer to discharge it.

Well I have a spare SD9VE perhaps I will keep it on my night stand and keep my other one loaded 24/7 if that's a problem I will face. Worst case can always throw the round away every 3-4 days....22 cents a week for peace of mind isn't that bad (by throw away either oil soak or dismantle).

Any issues leaving a round in the chamber 24/7/365?
 
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heck the factory hollowpoint ammo I use in my carry guns, is over a dollar per round.. in 25 round boxes...I don't know where you are getting Speer Gold Dot 9mm or Hornady Critical defense 9mm...or similar ammo in either .45ACP or .40S&W... but the best quality ammo all runs about the same.. congrats on finding a cheaper source... heck private message me here & I'll order a bunch too... I'm not sure I can hand load duty handgun ammo using premium bullets that cheap...

We always fired a minimum of 200 rounds of a new ammo in our duty semi-autos before using it as carry ammo... it had to pass this test with zero failures to feed, zero failures to fire & zero failures to eject & cycle a new round... or it didn't pass muster...whether it was commercially made or hand loaded... all carry ammo had to prove itself in our semi's.... Plus this gave you excellent proof on sight adjustment & getting used to how this round felt when fired.
 
From reading the subject line, assumed you had a terrible boating accident like mine.
Lost all of my registered guns and most of my internet purchased ammunition. :eek:
As to your post, would suggest you rotate and shoot more often.:D
 
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it's not that your brand/choice of ammo is unsafe or defective... but none of it is meant to be chambered & unloaded 20 or 30 times before it is shot... & possibly more if you bought that box of ammo 2 months ago & have been doing this every night before bed....

Get one of those lil bed side safes that is unlocked by a simple 5 button combination or a palm print that you can keep your carry gun in every night... that way you can keep it loaded.. yet it will take a conscious rational decision to gain access to it....Heck MidwayUSA carries them& I'm sure Brownell, Graf's and the other web site dealers have them too....

added: loaded ammo with bullets seated far deeper than normal, will have pressures raised to terrible levels.... ammo like that needs to be dis-mantled, never shot ... after re-sizing the brass case, the cases & bullets can be re-used ... as can the factory primer... but you definitely need to take the powder from the dismantled ammo & sprinkle it on your flower beds or garden/yard.

We use one of the plastic hammer dismantling tools that you place the round in (follow the directions that come with it) and rap it sharply against a linoleum floor or hard wood floor... your lady/signifigant other might get unduly peeved if you rap it against a nice piece of furniture... again one of the big web site places will carry a variety of those too.. they are very in-expensive... & the better ones come with a lifetime warranty...
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Why do you think this? :confused:
 
Tzuriel said:
Just curious if anyone here has noticed their ammo dropping down into the casing when chambering the same round over and over? I carry one in the pipe but when I go to bed at night I usually take the round out because I sleep walk when I'm exhausted and I'm afraid of what could happen.?
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It is usually indicative of a gun that is "feeding hard" and banging the nose into the feed ramp pushing the slug past the crimp. It can be fixed by working on the feed ramp. As stated, rounds pushed in can be dangerous from elevated case pressure especially if they are .40's. Chuck any round that has shortened up more than maybe .020" length from original.
 
Maybe schedule a replacement of the chambered round every week or two. Then shoot the used rounds at the range.

If you always put the fresh round at the bottom of the mag and re-fill the mag in the order the rounds came out, you will have a system that ensures fresh SD ammo.
 
Tzuriel;138930321 Any issues leaving a round in the chamber 24/7/365?[/QUOTE said:
My primary SD weapon is loaded 24/7/365 at arms length.
I used to leave ammo in mag/chamber 24/7/365 in a Sigma & sig 226, including 2 spare mags. When I went to practice, I would drop the mag, replace with ball and just fire the SD load. On a yearly interval I would use all 6 mags with SD, clean, replace. I started to find that the rounds had shifted in the mag over 1 year just from being carried, rattles, failure to feed smoothly. I have since gone to rotating the ammo in the magazines monthly to make sure it is where it should be. I have not had any rattles or failure to feed when I empty all mags at the end of 12 months, and I am fire my SD load-- 101 rds. I deviate from this pattern if I find myself getting sloppy while practicing. I will run a few mags of SD loads to regain my "focus". Be Safe,
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Muss Muggins said:
My guess is that it's a reference to the nitrates contained in gunpowder, which are also found in fertilizer . . .
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Smokeless powder is insoluble, takes a very long time to decompose and is therefore useless as a fertilizer. I often wonder how that myth started. Black powder, on the other hand, would make a pretty good fertilizer, as it is both soluble and high in nitrogen content.
 
Bullet setback is common in semi auto rounds that are not taper crimped like revolver rounds if you reload the same round.

Don't pull them, just put them in the range ammo pile after a few load/unloads. Once you have a magazine or more with, shootem up. Serves several purposes: gets rid of rounds before setback appreciably occurs, gives you practice with your carry ammo, and will ensure nothing has changed with your weapon that might cause feed or other reliability issues with your carry amm.
 
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