Bullets flying sideways

[Rick H.]

The sound gave away the fact that they were shooting ammo,
that was not allowed on the range.
The RO either asked others to help with proper ammo, or removed them.
Nothing like those new shooters, with auto loaders, that would chamber a round, with the barrel pointed down, and blow up the concrete.

Interesting, most "old shooters" I know don't have 20-20 hearing anymore so they would be the last people to ask about the sound of "hot ammo". There are many things that can have an influence on how loud a firearm sounds, but in no way correlate to unsafe ammunition used. I too would be the last one to have an opinion on hot ammo thru sound alone, but I would be the first one to come to another shooters aid if he was being DQ'd on sound alone. Obviously the one item missing in this scenario is to LOOK at the ammunition and/or box it is contained in and try to determine what it is, but to throw someone out of a competition on sound alone is a travesty.

Unfortunately, decisions like this with no substantive proof of wrongdoing are being made every day by ignorant people. Before you throw someone out of a match look at the d*** ammunition for markings and verify what you "think" you are hearing. To do otherwise is nothing more than a S.W.A.G.!

Rick H.

 

[cracker57]

As far as sound goes for hot loads, have you ever wondered why some people call longshot powder loudshot? faster snappy powder sounds different than slower powders. My 40 with longshot powder reloads got that combo banned from a friends farm as the neighbors didn't like the noise.
OP's holes do not look like tumblers, I like paper plates for targets the holes look round thru paper plates.

 

[Rule3]

Shoot some other ammo at exactly the same target material and see what you get.

 

[cmansguns]

I suspected keyholing but it was the target backer (lack thereof)

My 100 year+ old revolver shooting 32-20 WCF lead round nose. Usually this gun produced nice holes in Birchwood Casey splatter targets at indoor range (no outside wind).

This target looked like keyholing to me but others said look at your cardboard backer....it is shot out totally in the main center section so you have nothing but air behind your stapled target.

Lo and behold....they were right! New backer, nice and stiff, now round holes.

I learned something.

 

[Richard93]

My 100 year+ old revolver shooting 32-20 WCF lead round nose. Usually this gun produced nice holes in Birchwood Casey splatter targets at indoor range (no outside wind).

This target looked like keyholing to me but others said look at your cardboard backer....it is shot out totally in the main center section so you have nothing but air behind your stapled target.

Lo and behold....they were right! New backer, nice and stiff, now round holes.

I learned something.

Very nice gun! What powder do you use?

 

[M1A4ME]

Tumbling bullets make funny holes. These loads always did pretty good in my XDM and M&P pistols. The CZ doesn't like them at all. A couple tenths of a grain more powder cured them of the tumbling.

 

[SGT ROCK 11B]

Do you think these marks are signs of unstabilized bullets?
They are commercial FMJ bullets. The load seemed quite hot.

No. It’s just the paper tearing.

 

[Bobbysixkiller]

Fiocchi ammo most often is on the warm side.
At the Trap range, when someone is not using the proper ammo,
one of the regulars, will shout, that sounds HOT.
Then they are removed, unless someone gives them ammo to finish the flight.

So no 180 grain at 1600 fps 44 mags huh? They “sound” hot.

 

[zeke]

Do you think these marks are signs of unstabilized bullets?
They are commercial FMJ bullets. The load seemed quite hot.

If possible, consider shooting them at a longer distance. A destabilized bullet gets worse/more obvious.

 

[Tlf65]

I have a rifle that with one particular load that when shot at fifty yards the bullet hits the target sideways, at 100 yards it drills perfectly rounds in the ten ring.

 

[zeke]

I have a rifle that with one particular load that when shot at fifty yards the bullet hits the target sideways, at 100 yards it drills perfectly rounds in the ten ring.

while i can never say never, got any pics? Once a bullet starts tumbling end over end (sideways) am doubtful it can return to completely fling true.