Burieal laws?
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rburg
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Funny thread, serious subject. My instructions "just dispose of the body." If they can't do that, go with plan B. No services of any type, just have me cremated. Take the ashes out to the desert in Utah. They know the place well. Dump my ashes. Then leave. If they wish, they can tell my grandkids where I am. The goal is to do it as cheaply as they can. Save the expenses for the future.
Mule88
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FLDIGGER +1. Some people here dont have clue what funeral directors/embalmers have to go through. Most only know what they.ve heard in the media or seen on a sci fy flick.
rburg
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Hey Feral.... I'm not going to quash your idea. Its a good one. But I hope you seriously consider the logistics of hauling your carcass out into the hills. I'm guessing the quad won't do the job. It'll take a righteous 4wd pickup. And carving the grave out of a mountainside isn't kids play. Worse still, some locales require a permit to do that. Edward Abbey confused the BLM for years because they thought they knew where his followers were going to inter his remains. Fooled them, too.
In a story like yours, back in 2005 we were at a jeep outing in Gunnison, CO. We took a trail up northwest of the town known only to us as the "Powerline". It was a long rock uphill, maybe a mile or so long. Loose rock and occasional steps, but none over maybe 18", most smaller. When we got to the top we were pretty strung out. So I pulled over to wait for my buddies scattered off down the hill. It was apparent it would take a while, so I took a walk to see the view. Behind a big pine tree was a grave, much like the one you described. I just found my photos of it. The view was great, particularly down toward Gunnison. Nothing short of spectacular. And no one on the trail would have seen it unless they stopped.
But a closer look at the cross stuck in the ground revealed the tag nailed to the cross. It was a dog tag. No, not military, but dog as in pooch. Some guy must have really loved his dog, and did right by him after he passed. I keep thinking that guys dog has a better resting place than I'm destined to get!
If you don't mind them cremating your remains, planting you where you choose is pretty easy and only one or two people can manage it on quads. If you require a full casket, its going to require that 8' bed pickup. And caskets need to be buried deep underground. Mountains are made of rock, usually. There might be a little surface sand and soil, but once you get down a bit its pick and shovel work. I'm guessing the standard 6' down was cheated on a bit in the past, conditions permitting.
What you say you want isn't unreasonable. But you need to give it some thought and talk it over with your wife. She's the one the burden will be on to follow through with it. If you've got any friends who would help, it'd be a lot easier on her. It sounds gruesome to some people, but I agree it would be better than being planted in a subdivision of other graves.
In a story like yours, back in 2005 we were at a jeep outing in Gunnison, CO. We took a trail up northwest of the town known only to us as the "Powerline". It was a long rock uphill, maybe a mile or so long. Loose rock and occasional steps, but none over maybe 18", most smaller. When we got to the top we were pretty strung out. So I pulled over to wait for my buddies scattered off down the hill. It was apparent it would take a while, so I took a walk to see the view. Behind a big pine tree was a grave, much like the one you described. I just found my photos of it. The view was great, particularly down toward Gunnison. Nothing short of spectacular. And no one on the trail would have seen it unless they stopped.
But a closer look at the cross stuck in the ground revealed the tag nailed to the cross. It was a dog tag. No, not military, but dog as in pooch. Some guy must have really loved his dog, and did right by him after he passed. I keep thinking that guys dog has a better resting place than I'm destined to get!
If you don't mind them cremating your remains, planting you where you choose is pretty easy and only one or two people can manage it on quads. If you require a full casket, its going to require that 8' bed pickup. And caskets need to be buried deep underground. Mountains are made of rock, usually. There might be a little surface sand and soil, but once you get down a bit its pick and shovel work. I'm guessing the standard 6' down was cheated on a bit in the past, conditions permitting.
What you say you want isn't unreasonable. But you need to give it some thought and talk it over with your wife. She's the one the burden will be on to follow through with it. If you've got any friends who would help, it'd be a lot easier on her. It sounds gruesome to some people, but I agree it would be better than being planted in a subdivision of other graves.
pete-driver
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My wife tells me "if you die doing something stupid (falling off the roof, ect...) your going out with the trash Thursday morning".
Wayne02
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Yep, that's why my family is under strict instructions that the Makers Mark does not get opened until I'm in the ground, then the party can start.
Family takes care of family, always.
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feralmerril
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Dick, its 8 pm here. I just got cleaned up and setteled in after a quad ride near beaver today. Beaver is 50 miles north of us here in cedar city. We are tired it was a very rocky trail with one of those 50" wide bridges to keep out side by side atv,s and jeeps. We did see a makeshift marker that said some tribute to some guy in the worst of it. I dont know if he was killed there, or if it just was his favorite trail or maybe his ashs were there. It was just a old piece of worn cloth on a stick with his date of brith, death and name on it. It just said in memory of ------. Also just out of town where the road to the trail is was a big stone marker telling about a woman homesteader fighting off a indian attack there in 1866. More later.
I don't really care what happens to my carcass after I'm dead, as long as there's no sex involved and arabs don't play with it. If there's anything I learned from Woodrow Call, it's when a friend is on his deathbed and he says " I want you to do something for me.", RUN AWAY!
rburg
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I know where Beaver is...
I have a buddy who lives there. When they had the big fire a year or two ago we were all worried about him.
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feralmerril
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They got a fire going north of beaver at manderfield for a good week now. They have a sign on the freeway saying "controlled burn, do not report". I told the wife B.S., a lighting strikes in some heavey stuff in a remote area, the forest service dont want the expense of putting it out, tells the public its a controlled burn. Yesterday we met a F.S. worker on the trail rideing a quad with a chainsaw on it. I put forth my theory on the manderfield fire and he told me I was exactly right!
Last year about 15 miles south of us at new harmoney, it was the same deal. A small fire burnt for a month or better. They also put the same sign on the freeway. I told the wife then, it was B.S., they better put it out. Sure nuff, it finaly spread, burnt about 8 people out and they ran that forest ranger off!
One of the best and biggest gun shops in the state is at beaver. Its called the beaver sport and pawn. They also have tons of related fishing, tools, atv stuff etc. Its in what probley was a very old hotel. "Clarance" owns it. Hes a big grumpy old guy like myself that is good to deal with.
Butch cassidy was born at beaver but was brought up at circleville, east of beaver on the other side of the mountain range. I know where that old abanded log cabin is. I met a very old woman who was a girlfriend to butchs youngest sister, and she confirmed to me just what cabin it is. There is no marker at all in front of it.
Last year about 15 miles south of us at new harmoney, it was the same deal. A small fire burnt for a month or better. They also put the same sign on the freeway. I told the wife then, it was B.S., they better put it out. Sure nuff, it finaly spread, burnt about 8 people out and they ran that forest ranger off!
One of the best and biggest gun shops in the state is at beaver. Its called the beaver sport and pawn. They also have tons of related fishing, tools, atv stuff etc. Its in what probley was a very old hotel. "Clarance" owns it. Hes a big grumpy old guy like myself that is good to deal with.
Butch cassidy was born at beaver but was brought up at circleville, east of beaver on the other side of the mountain range. I know where that old abanded log cabin is. I met a very old woman who was a girlfriend to butchs youngest sister, and she confirmed to me just what cabin it is. There is no marker at all in front of it.
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rburg
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Next time you get by it, take some photos!
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feralmerril
Absent Comrade
Here ya go dick! I knew I had seen a picture of it on google earth. Its about 4 miles south of circleville utah on highway 89. Someone else took a photo of it along with a story about butch being seen there AFTER he was supposedly shot in bolivia!
Panoramio - Photo of old homestead
Panoramio - Photo of old homestead
Also related when did the military's policy become leaving no soldier behind on the battlefield? Utah Beach has a full cemetary as does Flanders Fields.
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feralmerril
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We had this discussion a couple months ago where I said I seen a lone grave overlooking spetacular scenery towards zion national park. I went back today and took a picture of it. If you got to go, this would be the way to do it!
When I was a kid my dad told me that when he dies he wanted to be cremated and have his ashes scattered over an old Model T. Last year when he was dying in the hospital I asked him if that was still what he wanted. He was amazed that I remembered that , but it's not really something you forget. It took a few months but I found an old car guy who had a back yard full of old cars including a 1923 Model T and he allowed me to have my little ceremony in his yard. I did face some opposition from distant family members trying to force their beliefs on me. I simply told them it didn't how they felt or how I felt for that matter. It's what he wanted so it's what he gets.
