Burieal laws?

My personal thought is that the funerary industry is one of the largest unnecessary rip offs in existence. If I'm lucky somebody will bury me in the woods. Otherwise "bugs n crows gotta eat too" Where my soul is going is my biggest concern.

A strange process we have developed.
Now firmly entrenched in our psyches and our culture, the ritual of spending $10-20,000 on the sendoff that is over in a day seems bizarre to me.
All too often, the family could use the money in much better ways, but what will the neighbors think?

Personally, I don't care if you put me in the oven, drop me to the fishes, or use me to bait coyotes.
If things really go to hell, make soylent green out of me.
Disclaimer: Eat at your own risk- remember that mad cow thing....:D

Sorry if you're in the business- no offense intended. You guys couldn't sell it if we didn't buy it!
Personally, I don't intend to stay under the granite, anyway. The land would have been much more useful as a pasture.......or a rifle range.
 
I had a sales representative from a local cemetary/funeral home come by and talk to my wife and I about burial insurance and making pre-arrangements for the inevitable.
It really pisses them off when you insist on referring to this as their "lay-away plan."
 
timely post. The Monks at St. Joseph's Abbey on the North Shore of Lake Pontchartrain are making their own simple wooden caskets and were threatened by the Cemetary people iwith a cease and desist as apparently there is a law that only liscensed people can make caskets. Well, the Monks have sued in Federal Court and I expect them to be successful. The Funeral Industry is one of the most heavily protected industries in the country and is run like a cartel. I have researched this burial thing for some time as all I want is to be sewn into a canvas shroud-stuffed into a plain pine box and buried without a big old cement vault. You have any idea how hard it is to find a cemetary that will let you be buried without lining the hole with a cement vault??? BTW, I have found out that our state prison, Angola, makes wooden caskets and will sell them to the general public for around $250. That plus a $50 heavy canvas shroud and a needle and twine and my pards digging my grave and I'm set. Course that really chapps the funeral industry.
Check you local regs, they will help. I'm getting to the point where I'm gonna just say cremate me and then deposit the urn containing my ashes in the Gulf of Mexico beyond the continental shelf.
Soooo, convicts can make caskets legally in La. and monks can't? In the current state of affairs, that seems logical...
 
I got a call several years ago that a girl was burying a baby behind a trailer. The caller said she was by herself and was digging a hole with a shovel and that the caller could clearly see it was indeed a baby lying on the ground beside the hole the young girl (she was 17) was digging. I arrived and found that everything the caller had said was true. This being a first for me and after some investigation and some phone calls I found that the unmarried girl was in her seventh month of pregnancy when the child was stillborn. She asked the hospital for the corpse so she could bury it because she had no funds for a funeral and didn't want the baby cremated or incinerated. The max the county would pay is $400.00 so she chose to bury it on her own. She was not breaking any laws. I know of several private cemetaries located in yards, cow pastures, forests, and even one in the parking lot of a beer joint that has three of their former best customer's graves in it. Kinda libertarian ain't it? If you really want to light a funeral home up buy your casket from someone other than the funeral home. The casket is one of the most expensive parts of a funeral and they really don't like it when you use Larry's Casketeria $500.00 casket instead of their $10,000.00 casket. It's legal in this state and may be in yours. Unfortunately, when the family comes into the funeral home to plan the arrangements they are usually in such a state of grief that they go with whatever the funeral director suggests. Their parents and grandparents did the same thing. If you're going the funeral home route pre-planning is the way to go. If not, have a few shovels and a couple of cases of beer for the grave diggers available after your demise. And...check the laws in your state. You will be surprised how leniant some of them are.
 
I was always told by the old fellows I have worked with say " you can tell who does the work and who don't" the ones that don't try to tell everyone how to spell. If I'm writing I can't spell my name, so we are in the same boat feralmerril. :D Bad part it depends on the state and sometimes the county that you are in.
 
A strange process we have developed.
Now firmly entrenched in our psyches and our culture, the ritual of spending $10-20,000 on the sendoff that is over in a day seems bizarre to me.
All too often, the family could use the money in much better ways, but what will the neighbors think?

Personally, I don't care if you put me in the oven, drop me to the fishes, or use me to bait coyotes.
If things really go to hell, make soylent green out of me.
Disclaimer: Eat at your own risk- remember that mad cow thing....:D

Sorry if you're in the business- no offense intended. You guys couldn't sell it if we didn't buy it!
Personally, I don't intend to stay under the granite, anyway. The land would have been much more useful as a pasture.......or a rifle range.

I am with you on this one. It does not matter if I am buried, burned or pulped, I will still be just as dead. Why would I want a permanant marker to my mortalilty, I am no more special than any of the other 6 billion naked apes infesting this poor rock.;)
 
My 23 year old son died three years ago. I did it nice with a black granite marker and curbing in our church cemetery. It would not have mattered to him, but it matters to me as I remember the joy he brought me during the remainder of my life on earth. When I die, I don't care if they blow me up with dynamite. However, if my wife is around, she might care. Just as, if I am around when she passes, I will make sure that it shows for all time that someone loved this woman intensely.

I guess the short take is, it ain't all about you.
 
Back to the basic thread topic, there are many reasons for not wanting a body buried in the back yard.

The next property owner might not want it there and will not buy property with a body buried on it.

I believe laws pretty much everywhere require embalming unless the body is immediately buried. Around here that means within 24 hrs.

Why bury someone some place where they will not have perpetual care for the grave? A great grand kid 50 yrs from now will not give a flip about the old grave in the back pasture.

If not buried in a coffin placed in a vault, sooner or later, the lid will cave in. That will bring on a new set of issues.

But getting government approval for off site body storage is going to be time consuming when push comes to shove.

The deceased, no matter how great of a person, will certainly not complain about being buried around others or even in a mass grave.

Off site burials were common back at the turn of the century and during the depression due to the clost of burial plots and embalming but times have changed and money is now put up by the government when one cannot afford a proper burial.

A more reasonable approach would be to buy some special burial furniture that is now available and placing the deceased in a coffee table for lifetime viewing. If that is not suitable, place the body in a special sofa where you lift the seat to see the loved one as needed. You can learn more and see a very unique coffee table at the following: Casket Furniture : Caskets, Custom Furniture, Casket Plans & Casket Kits


I think this reaches a new low in taste. I'm sure that opinions vary, but this disgusts me.

Does anyone else here feel that way? Do you really want to put Grandpa in a table or sofa?!

T-Star
 
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I guess the short take is, it ain't all about you.
+1. Merril, talk to the boss and whatever would give the other the most comfort at a difficult time...done deal.

In passing, geniuses, like dyslexics, are typically visual-spatial learners who commonly have poor spelling and handwriting skills. Spelling nazis, like obsessive-compulsive disorder types, are normally sequential learners. Take it for what it's worth(or what you paid for it:D).

Bob
 
I have never understood why, in a Christian society, why we place so much emphisis on funerals. If you believe, as many Christians do, that you soul leaves your body at the moment of death then why do we need such elaborate funerals? A simple celebration of the deceased person's life should do.
 
When my mother died a year and a half or so I made a walnut and birdseye maple box for her ashes. I'm a cabinetmaker by trade and made a pretty nice box even though it was not a particularly fun project.

When I went to pick up her ashes the funeral director (why do they all seem to look the same?) said "You need somethin' to put those in. Come with me and we'll get you a nice'un."

I said that I had already made something.

He said "Oh, no. You really need to come look at these things! Beautiful!"

I said "No thanks. I've already taken care of that."

He said "Won't take but a minute! We'll find you somethin' nice."

By this time he had me by the arm and was literally starting to drag me into the back room. I set my heels. I've got a pretty long fuse but I had not gotten a lot of sleep since I was holding Mom's hand when she died at 3am three days before.

I almost involuntarily slugged the guy, but managed to stop myself and told him that he needed to take his hands off me. I said "I'm trying to be nice about this, but I'm standing here holding my dead mother in a little box, and you're trying to make a sale. You gotta lot of damned nerve."

I doubt it phased him in the least.

And by the way, I think Feralmerrill an American treasure.
 
In the state where I live lots of families have their own cemetery. I have one on top of the hill behind my house. Family and friends are buried there. There are 21 graves there and are no restrictions. Of course after I am gone there may not be anyone left to care for it. Young folks don't give old cemeterys a very high priority on their to do list. I plan to be buried there and I couldn't care less if it grows wild with me there.
 
Enough about the spell check.
The point has been made and remade.

beemerphile-
My sincere condolences for your loss, and I'm sorry I touched that nerve.
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Generally speaking-
I stand by what I meant, even if I conveyed it poorly.
All too often, I've seen a young widow spend a few thousand more than necessary for a funeral when the money could have been invested for the young kids' college fund.
All too often, I've seen an old widow spend a few thousand more than necessary for a funeral when the money could have made her later years more stress free.

A few decades back, we buried Dad. He had been sick for a couple of years and they lived on SS with no retirement.
Mom wanted the best and I acquiesced.
I had been laid off a few months and was self employed in a new business. Cash was short.
She spent more than necessary, and a few months down the road I occasionally had to scramble to cover home and car repairs, medicine and supplements for her......

I don't visit graves much. My Dad had marked a tree on the property where I lived to show a corner location. I could see that mark everyday and think of him and our time together on projects throughout my life. That simple marked tree meant far more to me than a distant granite headstone that Dad and I never collaborated on.

To each his own. All of you can certainly spend your money as you wish.
If you need or want to remember me, hang a picture on the wall and put some money in the Grandkids' college fund.
 
I think it comes down to a respect thing. Not that it influances the destination of your soul, although in many or most other cultuers I think they did belive that. I have read about some ancient king in china haveing many soliders or bodyguards killed at his death probley to guard him in the hereafter. I dont know how much is fiction, but have read where some indians would have their horses killed to ride too.
Now as far as this country and our christian culture goes, I belive creamation is realitively new. I know in india and some other countrys they have always piled brush on the bodies and burnt them since time began. However some of that may have been done for health reasons to control plague. I need to study it, but as far as christian beliefs or culture goes I dont think cremation was accepted that long ago.
On my dads side of the family they were german homesteaders in whats now the ukraine from about 1810 to 1895. The germans were hated by the volhyanians (now ukrainians) as were the jews. Older relatives went back to find the german cemitarys were distroyed, as the headstones were gone and were used as building stones on barns etc.
Someone here said its more about the liveing than the dead, and I think him right. I just know I dont want to be creamated, and I would like to be buried off by myself on a high peak, but I know it probley wont be just like that.
 
My wife and I have an agreement. Remains to be transported directly from place of death (hospital, whatever) to the creamatorium. Memorial service and party/gathering for friends and relatives shortly thereafter.
 
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I think it comes down to a respect thing. Not that it influances the destination of your soul, although in many or most other cultuers I think they did belive that. I have read about some ancient king in china haveing many soliders or bodyguards killed at his death probley to guard him in the hereafter. I dont know how much is fiction, but have read where some indians would have their horses killed to ride too.

Merril,

I think you're referring to the terracotta army of Qin Shi Huang, the first emperor of China. At his death, an incredible mausoleum was built complete with more than 8,000 life-size terracotta warriors, each one unique. See the attached photos. The site near Xi'an, Shaanxi Province, was discovered in 1972.

There was no idea of a blood sacrifice. The purpose of the soldiers was to give Huang Di (one of his other names) an army with which to build an empire in the next life. Huang Di was the first to unify China. If you want to see a great fictionalized movie about this man, get "Hero" starring Jet Li.


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It amazes me how quickly, some folks will get fired up when a post refers to "bad cops" and insist that most cops are good, there are only a few bad apples, but sit silent when any other profession is painted with a big, fat, wide brush. Before I get chewed up here, let me just state that I believe that there are bad examples in any profession. But, they are outnumbered by the good ones.
I am a funeral director and have met with a lot of folks in my 20 some odd years. Most of the choices that are made in my office are made by and for the comfort and needs of the surviving families. Any good and decent funeral director will allow people to make the choices that are right for them, not what is best for his bottom line.
Funeral homes are like any other business in that we need profit to survive, we have families to feed and bills to pay, just like everyone else. If you feel that your local funeral home is too high priced, price shop before the need arises, get some idea of what your choices are going to cost you. FTC regulations require a funeral home anywhere in the United States to provide upon request (face to face, not by mail or fax) a copy for retention of their General Price list.You might be a little bit surprised. You might also be surprised when your family expresses a need to have a service, instead of rolling your carcass off the highway to feed the buzzards.
You might also want to look into the legalities of what you want. I have had many widows come in demanding that their husband was supposed to go straight to the crematory, because he said so, how dare I not honor that? In Florida, where I live and work, the statutes require a 48 hour waiting period after the death and a signed death certificate by the attending physician, which has been reviewed and approved by the local medical examiner, before cremation can take place. If everything goes our way, the cremation might get done in three days, but of course, since her husband said he was to go straight to the crematory, it is my fault that we can not do it that way. Just me being greedy, trying to get an extra dollar. I did not make the laws, but I do have to obey them.
And it is funny that when I miss Christmas dinners or family birthdays, because I need to do reconstruction work on an accident victim or seeing a family that just lost a loved one, my prices never go up, they are the same. I have personally given discounts and forgiven debts to help people that were having a tough time. I have buried children for nothing or at worst, my cost on merchandise, services for free, all of my professional life. Yet I am a scam artist and taking advantage of people. Until you have given someone the opportunity to see their child one last time, you will never understand why I do what I do for a living. And no amount of explaining on my part can ever change that.

Before you start taking jabs at funeral homes, consider that not all of them are crooks or money hungry, no doubt some are, but most are there to help when you need them.

Sorry for the rant, but some of these comments and opinions hit me wrong, perhaps I should have just kept quiet.

And back to the original post, in most states you can have burial on your private property, without embalming (which is not required in most cases), you can even do the burial yourself, but you will have to follow all of the rules that a funeral home does.
 
I guess the short take is, it ain't all about you.

Absolutely. These places are for the living, not dead. To remember, honor and reflect. My family is at a place called Skylawn in San Mateo, CA overlooking the Pacific. Some of the most gorgeous views on Planet Earth.

Lee, your cost estimates are way low ;)
 
It amazes me how quickly, some folks will get fired up when a post refers to "bad cops" and insist that most cops are good, there are only a few bad apples, but sit silent when any other profession is painted with a big, fat, wide brush. Before I get chewed up here, let me just state that I believe that there are bad examples in any profession. But, they are outnumbered by the good ones.
I am a funeral director and have met with a lot of folks in my 20 some odd years. Most of the choices that are made in my office are made by and for the comfort and needs of the surviving families. Any good and decent funeral director will allow people to make the choices that are right for them, not what is best for his bottom line.
Funeral homes are like any other business in that we need profit to survive, we have families to feed and bills to pay, just like everyone else. If you feel that your local funeral home is too high priced, price shop before the need arises, get some idea of what your choices are going to cost you. FTC regulations require a funeral home anywhere in the United States to provide upon request (face to face, not by mail or fax) a copy for retention of their General Price list.You might be a little bit surprised. You might also be surprised when your family expresses a need to have a service, instead of rolling your carcass off the highway to feed the buzzards.
You might also want to look into the legalities of what you want. I have had many widows come in demanding that their husband was supposed to go straight to the crematory, because he said so, how dare I not honor that? In Florida, where I live and work, the statutes require a 48 hour waiting period after the death and a signed death certificate by the attending physician, which has been reviewed and approved by the local medical examiner, before cremation can take place. If everything goes our way, the cremation might get done in three days, but of course, since her husband said he was to go straight to the crematory, it is my fault that we can not do it that way. Just me being greedy, trying to get an extra dollar. I did not make the laws, but I do have to obey them.
And it is funny that when I miss Christmas dinners or family birthdays, because I need to do reconstruction work on an accident victim or seeing a family that just lost a loved one, my prices never go up, they are the same. I have personally given discounts and forgiven debts to help people that were having a tough time. I have buried children for nothing or at worst, my cost on merchandise, services for free, all of my professional life. Yet I am a scam artist and taking advantage of people. Until you have given someone the opportunity to see their child one last time, you will never understand why I do what I do for a living. And no amount of explaining on my part can ever change that.

Before you start taking jabs at funeral homes, consider that not all of them are crooks or money hungry, no doubt some are, but most are there to help when you need them.

Sorry for the rant, but some of these comments and opinions hit me wrong, perhaps I should have just kept quiet.

And back to the original post, in most states you can have burial on your private property, without embalming (which is not required in most cases), you can even do the burial yourself, but you will have to follow all of the rules that a funeral home does.

Good post, fldigger. You sound like one of the good ones. Most folks don't want to think about this stuff beforehand and get in a situation where they have to deal with someone without doing the due diligence to find someone like you.
 

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