C&R License

[jimmyj]

Please explain if a C&R License gives the License Holder the lawful right to order and receive older firearms via USPO, FedX, and UPS if the firearm is 50 plus years old. Does this include weapons that the model is still being manufactured ?

 

[LoboGunLeather]

Check out the BATF website for a complete and up to date listing of all curio and relic firearms. They are pretty specific about what is C&R and what is not.

Last time I dealt with a C&R sale I spoke with a BATF agent by phone regarding delivery direct to the C&R licensee. At that time (perhaps 10 years ago) they specified that I send the firearm to a regular FFL holder in the purchaser's state of residence for delivery to the C&R licensee. These things seem to change about every time the wind changes direction, so I would look for my answers from the same feds who will be enforcing the law in the event of any problems.

 

[hsguy]

Jimmy, it does allow you to receive firearms at your home if the seller is willing to accept your licence. Model marking started in approximately 1957 so many models still manufactured are eligible if you can ascertain the particular gun was manufactured at least 50 years ago. Also some guns such are commemorative or others such as Model 53's are specifically allowed by the CR regulations.

 

[Bladeswitcher]

Check out the BATF website for a complete and up to date listing of all curio and relic firearms. They are pretty specific about what is C&R and what is not.

The "list" is merely guns that have been specifically added to the list. ANY firearm over 50 years old in its original configuration is a "relic."

50 years old? It's a C&R.

 

[Bladeswitcher]

Please explain if a C&R License gives the License Holder the lawful right to order and receive older firearms via USPO, FedX, and UPS if the firearm is 50 plus years old. Does this include weapons that the model is still being manufactured ?

If the seller can confirm that the specific gun is 50 years old and he's willing to accept your C&R, then yes.

Example: A Remington 870 Wingmaster made in 1969 is a C&R. One made in 1971 is not, neither is one made this year.

 

[Bob L]

I have had a C&R license now for maybe 15 years. One of the added benefits is you can also get discounts from businesses such as Brownells as well as being able to have older firearms shipped directly to you.

 

[Bladeswitcher]

From the ATF website:

What firearms are considered to be curio and relic firearms? | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

What firearms are considered to be curio and relic firearms?

Curio and relic firearms are defined as firearms which are of special interest to collectors because they possess some qualities not ordinarily associated with firearms intended for sporting use or as offensive or defensive weapons. To be recognized as a curio or relic, firearms must fall within one of the following categories:

(1) Firearms manufactured at least 50 years prior the current date, but not including replicas thereof;

(2) Firearms certified by the curator of a municipal, State, or Federal museum which exhibits firearms to be curios or relics of museum interest; and

(3) Firearms which derive a substantial part of their monetary value from the fact that they are novel, rare, or bizarre or from the fact of their association with some historical figure, period, or event.

ATF has recognized only complete, assembled firearms as curios or relics. ATF’s classification of surplus military firearms as curios or relics has extended only to those firearms in their original military configuration. Frames or receivers of curios or relics are not generally recognized as curios or relics.

Collectors wishing to obtain a determination whether a particular firearm qualifies for classification as a curio or relic may submit a written request for a determination to ATF’s Firearms Technology Branch. ATF’s classifications of curios and relics firearms are published in ATF Publication 5300.11.

 

[Chubbs103]

Some states do not allow delivery to your home with only a C&R license (start the CA hatred now). You used to be able to receive long guns, but the state took that away when they started registering long guns as well as hand guns.

My recommendation is check your state regulations as well as the federal.

 

[Ματθιας]

Cz82s aren't 50 years old, yet they are C&R. I'm not sure about Cz83s.

 

[LVSteve]

A lot of FFLs won't ship to C&R licensees because:

1) There is no database to confirm your C&R is genuine;

2) You're not part of the cartel.

 

[Bladeswitcher]

A lot of FFLs won't ship to C&R licensees because:

1) There is no database to confirm your C&R is genuine;

2) You're not part of the cartel.

A lot of them just don't understand and they fear what they don't understand.

 

[Golddollar]

If the seller can confirm that the specific gun is 50 years old and he's willing to accept your C&R, then yes.

Example: A Remington 870 Wingmaster made in 1969 is a C&R. One made in 1971 is not, neither is one made this year.

If the Remington 870 I bought back in 1966 is a relic, what does that make me?

 

[deadin]

1) There is no database to confirm your C&R is genuine;

Wrong... There is a database. It's just not part of EZCheck. THe seller has to call the ATF to check the status of a FFL03.


Another thing that I don't think has been mentioned is that a FFL03 cannot receive (or ship) handguns via the US Postal Service.

 

[Bladeswitcher]

Another thing that I don't think has been mentioned is that a FFL03 cannot receive (or ship) handguns via the US Postal Service.

You sure about the "receive" part? Can you provide any ATF or USPS reg that says that.

 

[sbrmike]

I have held a C&R for many years. There is a database for sure, but I do not think it is accessible by anyone except law enforcement. Years ago the then ATF told me that the database was private because high end collectors lobbied it to be that way as they did not want to disclose the location of their high end collections.

 

[Breakaway500]

BEST $30 I have ever spent. Because I live in Ma, the C&R allows me access to many firearms that normally would be "off limits" and all legally shipped to my house.

 

[Bladeswitcher]

BEST $30 I have ever spent. Because I live in Ma, the C&R allows me access to many firearms that normally would be "off limits" and all legally shipped to my house.

Yep. If you like old guns, a C&R license is a no-brainer. Admittedly, it was cooler when each copy of Shotgun News was filled with $100 Enfields and Mausers, but it's still a good deal. Think of all the great guns that were made prior to 1970! All of those are C&R. Also, as has been mentioned your C&R license qualifies you for dealer pricing at Brownells. It also satisfies the marksmanship requirement of the Civilian Marksmanship Program.

My local FFL charges $20 for transfers. It doesn't take long to pay the $30-for-three-years cost of the C&R license. In fact, I've saved that much on a single Brownell's order.

The downsides:
1.) You have to maintain a log book of your C&R guns
2.) The logbook requirement complicates buying and selling guns with unlicensed persons since you have to gather personal information about the other party.
3.) You are subject to ATF inspection, though I've never heard of it happening. Legally, they can look at your books once a year (and you can request the records inspection at their office). They can inspect in person at any time if they're investigating a crime . . . but they could probably do that with a warrant even if you didn't have a license.

 

[fordson]

I’m have a C&R FFL03 for some 15 years now and have yet to buy anything using it. I sometimes wonder if it’s worth the trouble maintaining it.

 

[Bladeswitcher]

I’m have a C&R FFL03 for some 15 years now and have yet to buy anything using it. I sometimes wonder if it’s worth the trouble maintaining it.

Obviously not. If you're not using it, why do you have it?

 

[Puller]

Please explain if a C&R License gives the License Holder the lawful right to order and receive older firearms via USPO, FedX, and UPS if the firearm is 50 plus years old. Does this include weapons that the model is still being manufactured ?

I have purchased several 50 year old firearms using my C&R that are still in production. This would include several Winchester and Marlin lever guns, and a few Ruger .22's.