Can I still get the old style longer firing pin from S&W?

[allglock]

Does S&W still stock the old style longer MIM firing pins for centennial J-frames? and if so what is the correct part # ? Thanks in advance!

 

[allglock]

Does S&W still stock the old style longer MIM firing pins for centennial J-frames? and if so what is the correct part # ? Thanks in advance!

 

[tomcatt51]

The FMFP (MIM guns) lengths have varied during production. Same part#. You need to measure the length of yours. .490"+ seems to be ok. The ones that could be problematic were .480-.485. This is obsessed about more than it's a big problem.

Probably THE BEST FMFP (and spring) comes from here: http://www.apextactical.com/

 

[allglock]

Well... F it. Since no one knows where to get a genuine S&W part?(old style)
I guess I will just get the Apex and give it a workout!

 

[tomcatt51]

Originally posted by allglock:
Well... F it. Since no one knows where to get a genuine S&W part?(old style)
I guess I will just get the Apex and give it a workout!

Good plan. There ARE NOT a series of part #'s for S&W FMFP's. There are just running changes, same #.

 

[allglock]

Thanks tomcatt for the info. I just figured someone might know where to locate the old style pins. I have some new no lock 442s, and I just dont like the small amount of firing protrusion they have compared to my older Smiths.
I am going to try the Apex pin and shoot and dry fire the heck out of it, to see if it holds up.
I still dont know why they give you a reduced power firing pin return spring? And i was wondering if I have to use it?
I e-mailed Apex, and still havent gotten a response.

 

[tomcatt51]

Originally posted by allglock:
Thanks tomcatt for the info. I just figured someone might know where to locate the old style pins. I have some new no lock 442s, and I just dont like the small amount of firing protrusion they have compared to my older Smiths.
I am going to try the Apex pin and shoot and dry fire the heck out of it, to see if it holds up.
I still dont know why they give you a reduced power firing pin return spring? And i was wondering if I have to use it?
I e-mailed Apex, and still havent gotten a response.

I've got the Apex pins and a couple different S&W pins. The "old" ones sren't necessarilly longer. You just have to measure them. The "longest" S&W pins seem to be ~.492". "Short" S&W pins seem to be .480"-.485". Apex pins are .500"-.502". I think the C&S "extended" are ~.515". The newest S&W pin I have has a much reduced (shortened) "notch" for the retaining pin. There are some with a "pointier" tip. I quit playing with them and just use the Apex pins.

 

[shawn mccarver]

Originally posted by allglock:
Well... F it. Since no one knows where to get a genuine S&W part?(old style)
I guess I will just get the Apex and give it a workout!

Why do we have to know? Can't you just call S&W and talk to someone there? I mean if the customer service people do not know what you are talking about, then ask for the Performance Center and ask to speak (nicely) to one of the gunsmiths.

If S&W no longer has the old/longer part, try the usual places: Brownells, Midway USA, Jack First and Numrich. If those places do not have it, then you may have to go with after market.

 

[allglock]

Originally posted by shawn mccarver:

Originally posted by allglock:
Well... F it. Since no one knows where to get a genuine S&W part?(old style)
I guess I will just get the Apex and give it a workout!

Why do we have to know? Can't you just call S&W and talk to someone there? I mean if the customer service people do not know what you are talking about, then ask for the Performance Center and ask to speak (nicely) to one of the gunsmiths.

If S&W no longer has the old/longer part, try the usual places: Brownells, Midway USA, Jack First and Numrich. If those places do not have it, then you may have to go with after market.

I went with Apex, and I am very satisfied!
If S&W shortened the pin for safety reasons, they sure as heck aint gonna sell you a longer one.

 

[shawn mccarver]

Originally posted by allglock:

Originally posted by shawn mccarver:

Originally posted by allglock:
Well... F it. Since no one knows where to get a genuine S&W part?(old style)
I guess I will just get the Apex and give it a workout!

Why do we have to know? Can't you just call S&W and talk to someone there? I mean if the customer service people do not know what you are talking about, then ask for the Performance Center and ask to speak (nicely) to one of the gunsmiths.

If S&W no longer has the old/longer part, try the usual places: Brownells, Midway USA, Jack First and Numrich. If those places do not have it, then you may have to go with after market.

I went with Apex, and I am very satisfied!
If S&W shortened the pin for safety reasons, they sure as heck aint gonna sell you a longer one.

They might not sell you one, but I understand they have FMFPs with different dimensions to the groove that allows forward travel for use in revolvers that need a little extra length of FP travel for reliable ignition. This can come up in guns with b/c gap on the high end along with a little end shake or other issues that, when all taken together create a few thousandths difference in the distance from the breech face to the primer.

 

[bountyhunter]

Originally posted by shawn mccarver:

Originally posted by allglock:

Originally posted by shawn mccarver:

Originally posted by allglock:
Well... F it. Since no one knows where to get a genuine S&W part?(old style)
I guess I will just get the Apex and give it a workout!

Why do we have to know? Can't you just call S&W and talk to someone there? I mean if the customer service people do not know what you are talking about, then ask for the Performance Center and ask to speak (nicely) to one of the gunsmiths.

If S&W no longer has the old/longer part, try the usual places: Brownells, Midway USA, Jack First and Numrich. If those places do not have it, then you may have to go with after market.

I went with Apex, and I am very satisfied!
If S&W shortened the pin for safety reasons, they sure as heck aint gonna sell you a longer one.

They might not sell you one, but I understand they have FMFPs with different dimensions to the groove that allows forward travel for use in revolvers that need a little extra length of FP travel for reliable ignition. This can come up in guns with b/c gap on the high end along with a little end shake or other issues that, when all taken together create a few thousandths difference in the distance from the breech face to the primer.

Anybody can modify the FP notch by removing a little material off the rear to allow it to fly forward farther. If, by some bizarre set of circumstances, you had a gun such that the stock pin wasn't reaching the primer, that would let the FP fly farther forward under inertai from the hammer impact.