Candleure TOOL

[J. R. WEEMS]

Any one still sell these?? Havent had much in a search. THANKS!

 

[ruggyh]

got mine here- CH4D
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be safe
Ruggy

 

[Jellybean]

Mine's from Corbin, I believe they are still sold factory direct.

 

[rockquarry]

I had a C-H cannelure tool when I swaged bullets. It worked very well and was not expensive.

 

[J. R. WEEMS]

CORBIN

Mine's from Corbin, I believe they are still sold factory direct.

Well they want $180.00 for theirs-- C&H is $125.00 Will have to give this a thought. Have 1000 Remington bullets with NO canduler?? Have never loaded the 44 mag. with a bullet in this configuration and am not 100% sure they will do the job or work?? Anyone done this?? THANKS!!

 

[rockquarry]

Jacketed or cast? A cannelure tool will do the job, though you can easily put too heavy a cannelure on a bullet to the point of deformation and/or causing inaccuracy. Also consider it should be placed at the right point on the bullet. I wouldn't just eyeball it . If you have a thousand bullets, you could afford to experiment with fifty or a hundred and shoot groups to find out what works best.

 

[J. R. WEEMS]

BULLETS

Jacketed or cast? A cannelure tool will do the job, though you can easily put too heavy a cannelure on a bullet to the point of deformation and/or causing inaccuracy. Also consider it should be placed at the right point on the bullet. I wouldn't just eyeball it . If you have a thousand bullets, you could afford to experiment with fifty or a hundred and shoot groups to find out what works best.

Well they are jacketed-- I am sure a light touch would be the order of the day but I have 20 loaded as they are and will test them tomorrow.

 

[Ivan the Butcher]

Another use of a cannelure tool is to place a cannelure on the case outside just below the bullet to help with set back issues.

Ivan

 

[rockquarry]

Another use of a cannelure tool is to place a cannelure on the case outside just below the bullet to help with set back issues.

Ivan

May do no harm, but completely unnecessary if you're doing everything else right = basic handloading fundamentals.

 

[Ivan the Butcher]

May do no harm, but completely unnecessary if you're doing everything else right = basic handloading fundamentals.

I knew a commercial reloader that did this, I ask why, because the crimp and case tension did the job. His answer was, Remington did it this way for years and my customers want it!

Ivan

 

[J. R. WEEMS]

LOADS

Well i have never had any 'set-back' issues and sure dont want to start now. Just had to break old habits. All seems pretty tight at this point.

 

[Mad_Charlie]

I knew a commercial reloader that did this, I ask why, because the crimp and case tension did the job. His answer was, Remington did it this way for years and my customers want it!

Ivan

Wow, if that guy was hand rolling cannelures in to cases, his production rate had to be pretty low.

I have had one of those tools for twenty three years, it doesn't see any use any more. It reduced accuracy for me. (rifle, never used it for handgun).

 

[Jellybean]

$180! Wow, the price has gone up since I bought mine 25+ years ago.

The typical method of loading non-cannelured bullets in a revolver is to seat the bullet deeper and crimp around the ogive. The powder charge will need to be adjusted to compensate for the deeper seating. Set-back doesn't usually happen in revolvers, the bullets usually pull out under recoil.

 

[Alk8944]

Remington factory .44 bullets? What were they, factory seconds you got cheap? I am not aware of any manufacturer of true jacketed bullets that makes any without a cannelure.

As others have mentioned, set-back is not an issue with revolvers. What is an issue can be pulled from the case under recoil. To see it this is a problem simply load 12 rounds and shoot them in your gun and see if you have a pulling problem. If not then don't worry about it. If you do have more than minor bullet movement then you would be better served by buying a Lee Collet Crimp Die. This die will actually compress the bullet and in effect form its own cannelure.
44 Magnum Custom Carbide Factory Crimp Die - Lee Precision And it's only $16! Note that Lee makes 2 factory crimp dies for .44 Magnum. The Collet style is the one you want to get. The description fo the die you need is: 44 Magnum Collet Style Crimp Die. This die is not the carbide version. The link will take you to the correct one.

 

[WR Moore]

Remington factory .44 bullets? What were they, factory seconds you got cheap? I am not aware of any manufacturer of true jacketed bullets that makes any without a cannelure.
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That caught my attention too. The Remington factory 240 gr SJHP is my favorite .44 hunting bullet. However, a good many bullets for semi auto calibers no longer have cannelures. Saves a couple pennies on each slug. Come to think of it, the cannelures that used to be on the case of the semi-auto ammo frequently aren't there anymore either.

I never did understand why .38 Spl cases had/have cannelures.

 

[Qc Pistolero]

I never did understand why .38 Spl cases had/have cannelures.[/QUOTE]

The reason for cannelure on the case is to make an abutment(stop)at the base of the bullet.
Some,like Winchester target,had 2 cannelures.They are for wadcutter bullets(HBWC).Since the cases are slightly tapered on the inside,the taper would deform the thin skirt at the base of the bullet,thus reducing accuracy.The bottom cannelure was done so as to remove some of the inside taper of the case.

 

[Leonard]

Any one still sell these?? Havent had much in a search. THANKS!

I have an old unit pretty basic if your interested let me know

 

[J. R. WEEMS]

BULLETS & CRIMP

Remington factory .44 bullets? What were they, factory seconds you got cheap? I am not aware of any manufacturer of true jacketed bullets that makes any without a cannelure.

As others have mentioned, set-back is not an issue with revolvers. What is an issue can be pulled from the case under recoil. To see it this is a problem simply load 12 rounds and shoot them in your gun and see if you have a pulling problem. If not then don't worry about it. If you do have more than minor bullet movement then you would be better served by buying a Lee Collet Crimp Die. This die will actually compress the bullet and in effect form its own cannelure.
44 Magnum Custom Carbide Factory Crimp Die - Lee Precision And it's only $16! Note that Lee makes 2 factory crimp dies for .44 Magnum. The Collet style is the one you want to get. The description fo the die you need is: 44 Magnum Collet Style Crimp Die. This die is not the carbide version. The link will take you to the correct one.

The bullets came from a distributor delt with for many years. I use REDDING profile crimp die and while I am up to learning anything new at my 75 years of age, I have a hard time seeing where Lee can match them. Could be I guess. Well, test is tomorrow and I will see whats what with all this. Anyway, plenty of great advice here and MANY THANKS -- far as I know these are Remington bullets that were bought in bulk-- never tried any Berrys or other kind. Hornady XTP's were always my first choice for hunting but somewhere along the line when I couldnt get them I bought these.

 

[Alk8944]

I use REDDING profile crimp die and while I am up to learning anything new at my 75 years of age, I have a hard time seeing where Lee can match them.

No doubt Redding is a good product! I am not saying the Lee die is per se superior to anything Redding makes, but that the Lee Factory Crimp Dies are the only one of their type available! Redding makes nothing equivalent. There are few tools Lee makes that excel, but the ones that do are not duplicated by any other die maker.

FWIW, I will be 75 in August, if that means anything. But I have been re-loading since 1960 and have made both loading dies, bullet moulds, and sizing dies. I do not recommend any product lightly, and Lee only where they have a truly excellent or unique product!

 

[zeke]

Bought and used a corbin cannelure tool years ago. It served well for using 45 acp jacketed bullets in 45 ar and 45 lc. Especially with the rem 45 ar brass and plus p velocity 230 jhp's in a 625.

Pretty difficult to use on smaller dia rifle bullets, and didn't try more than a couple times. Am guessing it's main purpose was pistol bullets.