CC w/1911

[Poohgyrr]

I really like Kramer's IWB #2 for my 1911 & Hi Powers. Holds the pistols secure and tight, while providing a smooth draw when needed. Never a problem with the thumb safety. Every single order I've ever placed with Kramer has been delivered as promised, often well before the estimated delivery date. Great holsters and service. Well worth saving up for the cost. A Kramer 1911 Belt Scabbard is on order now as well. His mag pouches are good too.

Mernickle's PS6s have done well for my K & N frames, and one 1911 version is on order now. Also well made. Great delivery too. His mag pouches work well for me.

But a headsup on my experiences with Sparks. Over the years I've ordered five Summer Special 2's in all black. These orders were confirmed at the time of the phone order, and in the confirmation letters. Each SS2 was well made and worth the money. But not a single one was delivered in all black.

I was able to find and buy one slightly used all black SS2 for Hi Powers - so they do make them.

And three other Sparks (a Versa Max2 and two Ex Companions) have been delivered in all black without a single problem.

 

[okie john]

When I was in the Army, guys who had no problem with me walking behind them carrying a loaded M-249 or M-60 would freak out if I even mentioned carrying a 1911 in Condition 1. Yet they carried their M-16's in Condition 1 on patrols and had no problem with a Remington 870 or 1100 in Condition 1 in a duck blind.

I think it's the exposed hammer that gets them.


Okie John

 

[SmithSwede]

I agree with Okie. I think it is the exposed hammer being cocked WAAAAY back that tend to freak people out psychologically.

Personally, I find Glocks to be more scary in this regard. That's more like condition zero to my way of thinking.

I'm really skittish about re-holstering a Glock. But I'm fine with re-holdtering a C&L Browning HP, despite the seemingly "scary" look.

That might be a way to get around this---just keep looking at that 1911 in C&L condtion. Keep it in your nightstand that way. Maybe after a while, it won't look quite so much like ancient dynamite.

 

[cmort666]

Originally posted by SmithSwede:
I'm really skittish about re-holstering a Glock. But I'm fine with re-holdtering a C&L Browning HP, despite the seemingly "scary" look.

That's why I ditched my first IWB holster for my Glock 19. It was a Bianchi with no reinforcement at the mouth to keep it open. I was always afraid that either my finger would hit the trigger while I was fighting to get the gun in the holster, or that part of the holster would get into the trigger guard. It lasted a couple of weeks. I replaced it with a Don Hume that stays open when the gun's not in it. I carry that gun all of the time without worries.

 

[Beruisis]

I've always carried 1911 cocked & locked. Tried the Glock .45 when they came out but was very uncomfortable carrying it on me with no visible safeties & sold it. Back to the 1911.
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[Wyatt Earp]

Originally posted by Beruisis:
I've always carried 1911 cocked & locked. Tried the Glock .45 when they came out but was very uncomfortable carrying it on me with no visible safeties & sold it. Back to the 1911.
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Do revolvers make you similarly uncomfortable?

 

[Big Foot]

I still feel like I have a stick of volatile old 1800's dynamite strapped to my waist.

So did the public...Viewing LEO's in that manner was a little too much for the public persona. Confidentially, many LEO's felt the same way....One, but not the only reason, you don't see this in law enforcement today...

 

[flop-shank]

Originally posted by Wyatt Earp:

Originally posted by Beruisis:
I've always carried 1911 cocked & locked. Tried the Glock .45 when they came out but was very uncomfortable carrying it on me with no visible safeties & sold it. Back to the 1911.
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Do revolvers make you similarly uncomfortable?

It's good to see you posting, Wyatt.

I can't speak for anyone else, but the reason I'm comfortable with revolvers and not Glocks is the trigger. I've never tried a NY-1 trigger, but standard Glocks give me the creeps. I wouldn't want to use a weapon with a trigger that light and short. There's not enough of a safety margin to make me comfortable.

 

[cmort666]

Originally posted by flop-shank:

Originally posted by Wyatt Earp:

Originally posted by Beruisis:
I've always carried 1911 cocked & locked. Tried the Glock .45 when they came out but was very uncomfortable carrying it on me with no visible safeties & sold it. Back to the 1911.
B

Do revolvers make you similarly uncomfortable?

It's good to see you posting, Wyatt.

I can't speak for anyone else, but the reason I'm comfortable with revolvers and not Glocks is the trigger. I've never tried a NY-1 trigger, but standard Glocks give me the creeps. I wouldn't want to use a weapon with a trigger that light and short. There's not enough of a safety margin to make me comfortable.

I've got a Glock 19 and a Glock 22, both with 3.5lb. Ghost connectors. I wouldn't consider the trigger pull either short or especially light. New York (and other) cops still shoot themselves (and the wrong people) with NY1 and even heavier triggers. A Chicago cop shot an unarmed man in the face with a Ruger SP101. I can give you a link to actual video of the shooting if you're interested. Regardless of whether I believe his story, he claimed that it was an "accident". And he did it with a double action revolver NOT renowned for its light, silky smooth trigger. If you have poor trigger discipline, you will have an ND eventually.

I also carry a 3" Model 65, and I wouldn't carry that in a holster which didn't cover the trigger guard. I think that's the key to safely carrying ANY firearm with a loaded chmaber... or cylinder.

I'm not trying to convince you to carry a Glock if you just don't want to. I'm just saying that your stated reason for not carrying one is not objectively true. If you just don't want to carry one, that's all the reason you need.

 

[flop-shank]

I've felt Glock triggers and they give me the creeps. A bit of clothing or something while reholstering is a scenario that plays in the back of my mind. With a revolver I always put my thumb on the hammer when reholstering. What can I say, a DA revolver is a system I feel very comfortable living with long term. I don't have trigger control issues, so that's not the problem.

 

[cmort666]

Originally posted by flop-shank:
I've felt Glock triggers and they give me the creeps. A bit of clothing or something while reholstering is a scenario that plays in the back of my mind. With a revolver I always put my thumb on the hammer when reholstering. What can I say, a DA revolver is a system I feel very comfortable living with long term. I don't have trigger control issues, so that's not the problem.

I carry a revolver and a Glock 19 interchangeably. I'm VERY careful when holstering either. But as I said, subjective perception is more than enough reason to make a choice of this kind. If it doesn't feel right, it's not right. I won't ever carry an S&W revolver with the lock in its present configuration, no matter what the statistics say. You need no more reason not to carry a Glock.

 

[Wyatt Earp]

Originally posted by Big Foot:

I still feel like I have a stick of volatile old 1800's dynamite strapped to my waist.

So did the public...Viewing LEO's in that manner was a little too much for the public persona. Confidentially, many LEO's felt the same way....One, but not the only reason, you don't see this in law enforcement today...

Last I knew the issue sidearm of the Tacoma Police Department is a Kimber 1911.

 

[Wyatt Earp]

Originally posted by cmort666:
I wouldn't carry that in a holster which didn't cover the trigger guard. I think that's the key to safely carrying ANY firearm with a loaded chmaber... or cylinder.

This guy

considered an exposed trigger guard a mandatory feature of duty holsters. So did almost all officers of his day. Given that those guys weren't in love with NDs and that revolvers today work the same way as they did in the 50s and 60s, I see no reason why a belt holster that exposes a revolver's trigger is unsafe.

Inside the waist, I would probably agree with you. Too many things in there to potentially snag an exposed trigger.

 

[cmort666]

Originally posted by Wyatt Earp:

Originally posted by cmort666:
I wouldn't carry that in a holster which didn't cover the trigger guard. I think that's the key to safely carrying ANY firearm with a loaded chmaber... or cylinder.

This guy

considered an exposed trigger guard a mandatory feature of duty holsters. So did almost all officers of his day. Given that those guys weren't in love with NDs and that revolvers today work the same way as they did in the 50s and 60s, I see no reason why a belt holster that exposes a revolver's trigger is unsafe.

Inside the waist, I would probably agree with you. Too many things in there to potentially snag an exposed trigger.

A great book, I've got it. I feel safer with a covered trigger guard for anything, but that's personal preference.

Other than pocket carry of a Model 36 in a Nemsis, I only carry IWB, all in Don Hume clip-ons. I never wear untucked shirts or suit/sport coats, so IWB is pretty much my only option for on-body carry of anything bigger than the Chief's Special. I'm shopping around for some sort of OWB for my 4" Model 29-2 for the winter. I actually asked for a bunch of sweaters for Christmas for cold weather carry. Of course Monday it was 33deg. in my office when I came to work.

 

[Wyatt Earp]

Originally posted by cmort666:
I'm shopping around for some sort of OWB for my 4" Model 29-2 for the winter.

Try K&D Holsters Eagle Defender:

 

[Pointman_FL]

There's a lot of hardware conversation in this thread, and that's fine (different types of handguns and holsters).

But my reply to the original poster is grounded in software (training): I have no issues at all with carrying a cocked and locked 1911, and do so every day I'm in a state that permits it (at the moment I'm in California, which doesn't recognize a Florida license).

I've carried a 1911 for so long that although I own Glocks (mostly for loaners) and revolvers (just because I love them), nothing else feels right in my hands. I train with my 1911s extensively, typically augmenting informal local range shooting with classes offered by some of the best instructors in the country, at least three or four times a year. I'm lucky enough to be an hour away from Southern Exposure in Central Florida (www.southernexposuretraining.com), which brings in trainers such as Randy Cain, Bill Jeans, Jeff Gonzales, Pat Rogers and Scott Reitz. I have no affiliation or vested interest in the place, but have trained there for years and will continue to do so - it's superb.

I believe that when it comes to caliber, one should shoot the most powerful cartridge he or she can effectively (an important adverb). When it comes to type of weapon, I similarly believe that one should carry whatever one is most comfortable and confident with.

I believe that most important, though, is the imperative to get first rate training if you're going to carry a handgun for defensive purposes. It's the best money you can spend, and provides the added benefit of providing solutions to problems that are initially perceived to be hardware issues.

Merry Christmas to all!

 

[smith revolver cop]

I used to carry one, years ago. I had a great Bianchi leather holster with a thumb-break strap that went between the hammer and the back of the slide; it also had an extended piece of leather on the back of the thumb break that covered the safety, to help reduce the risk of the safety being pushed off. I had no qualms carrying it in that fashion. Now, however, I carry the Para Ordnance 7.45 LDA (now marqued 7.45 SSP)- a double-action 1911, no need to carry cocked and locked!

 

[Wyatt Earp]

Originally posted by cmort666:
Other than pocket carry of a Model 36 in a Nemsis, I only carry IWB, all in Don Hume clip-ons. I never wear untucked shirts or suit/sport coats,

If you never untuck your shirts, and never wear a coat, and never use a tuckable holster, how do you ever keep people from seeing the butt of your guns?

 

[cmort666]

Originally posted by Wyatt Earp:

Originally posted by cmort666:
Other than pocket carry of a Model 36 in a Nemsis, I only carry IWB, all in Don Hume clip-ons. I never wear untucked shirts or suit/sport coats,

If you never untuck your shirts, and never wear a coat, and never use a tuckable holster, how do you ever keep people from seeing the butt of your guns?

The Don Hume clip-on IWBs are surprisingly tuckable. They aren't apparently designed for it, but they work. Ohio is an open carry state. It doesn't matter if anybody sees my gun, although nobody does.

This time of year I often wear a sweater or sweat shirt (unreliable heat in the office) over my tucked polo shirt.

 

[Wyatt Earp]

You might want to spring for a Comp-Tac CTAC for your G19. They really make it easy to conceal without anything covering your waistline.