CCW with a security holster?

[Vtgw938]

I'd prefer a security device other than tension if I carried off-duty or serious self defense purposes. If I had a duty rig, I would want my off-duty, plains clothes holster to be similar. Last duty rig I had was a 070 level III for a Glock. Off-duty rig was also a Safariland with the same manipulation other than it did not have a thumb break. I could do the same draw as if it was the duty rig and it would come right out. I didn't like that when it was exposed it looks like an easy grab but I wanted the consistent technique. Under stress I think I would still rock the gun to the rear now 15 years later. In my rural community, retired and almost 70 I still see myself more likely to get into a tussle with some mutt as opposed to needing a lighting fast draw.

 

[lrrifleman]

Is it of the “Serpa” type?
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Yes

 

[Always Faithful Holsters]

Yes

I would NEVER, under any conditions or circumstances, use a Serpa holster. They are dangerous. I’ll have to look it up but, one of the “Experts” that wrote for a “Gun Magazine” tried to prove they are safe. The problem is, the motion of unlatching your pistol involves the trigger finger heading towards the trigger while the gun is along side your body. No bueno. Some big name trainers will not allow them on their range even. I’ll have to look for the article.

 

[Always Faithful Holsters]

Yes

This is the “Experts” trying to show how safe one is…..

 

[Always Faithful Holsters]

Yes

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[jurnes]

Sure looks like a Serpa

 

[walkin' trails]

If it’s a Serpa or a knockoff, I can see why a competition governing body would not allow it. Disabling retention with the trigger finger is a recover disaster. I don’t use any type of retention for regular CCW other than a rig molded to fit the gun, sometimes with a tension screw, and always covered by a shirt. I occasionally attend training and LEOSA qualification where a retention device is sometimes required, so I use Safariland ALS paddles. Otherwise, I haven’t haven’t kept up on retention holsters since the Safariland SSIII was state of the art.

 

[Fastbolt]

A long time ago in a galaxy far far away leather holsters with thumb snaps were very common for carry. It entirely depends on if the retention adds any builk to the holster that could make it more difficult to conceal.

Speed is within just a few tens of a second different between a retention holster and a slick holster.

Indeed. Familiarization, training and practice.

Many years ago, one of the other firearms instructors and I wanted to compare the difference between a plainclothes holster we used on-duty (Hume H726, semi-open breakfront with thumbsnap) and an open-top synthetic material holster without any retention devices. It was a slow range day and we were bored. The test was to draw and fire 6 rounds on 3 silhouette threat targets at 3-4 yds, meaning 2 hits must be made on each, inside the smallest scoring zone. Accuracy mattered as much as speed. The threat targets were spaced a yard apart, 2 @ 3yds with a middle 1 @ 4yds. Drawn (separately) from a random timer signal, repeated a few times to get an 'average'. I used the Hume (thumb snap engaged) and the other instructor used the open-top holster.

It was fun, but the thing that surprised us was that our times were so close as to not seemingly matter. Both of us were making 6 accurate hits, drawing from the holster, and running in the mid-to-high 2sec range. If I remember right, I think I nudged the fast time @ 2.34sec (thumb snap holster), but his fastest was 2.39sec.

To be fair, perhaps my use of semi-open breakfront gave me a very slight edge, as the muzzle only had to rise little more than an inch before I could sweep the gun forward, while he had to lift the muzzle clear of the front of the complete holster pocket mouth. Well, that was why we wore those H726's on-duty in our plainclothes assignments, after all. Made for a very short lift drawstroke to clear the muzzle.

I was using the older style (brown) one on the right in this pic, with an issued 6906 (but in the pic the gun is my personally-owned 3913).


The pistol in the newer style (black) H726 was an issued 4513TSW.

What's it all mean? Beats the hell outta' me. Both holsters seemed 'fast enough', but then we spent a lot of trigger time on the range practicing.

 

[Always Faithful Holsters]

Indeed. Familiarization, training and practice.

Many years ago, one of the other firearms instructors and I wanted to compare the difference between a plainclothes holster we used on-duty (Hume H726, semi-open breakfront with thumbsnap) and an open-top synthetic material holster without any retention devices. It was a slow range day and we were bored. The test was to draw and fire 6 rounds on 3 silhouette threat targets at 3-4 yds, meaning 2 hits must be made on each, inside the smallest scoring zone. Accuracy mattered as much as speed. The threat targets were spaced a yard apart, 2 @ 3yds with a middle 1 @ 4yds. Drawn (separately) from a random timer signal, repeated a few times to get an 'average'. I used the Hume (thumb snap engaged) and the other instructor used the open-top holster.

It was fun, but the thing that surprised us was that our times were so close as to not seemingly matter. Both of us were making 6 accurate hits, drawing from the holster, and running in the mid-to-high 2sec range. If I remember right, I think I nudged the fast time @ 2.34sec (thumb snap holster), but his fastest was 2.39sec.

To be fair, perhaps my use of semi-open breakfront gave me a very slight edge, as the muzzle only had to rise little more than an inch before I could sweep the gun forward, while he had to lift the muzzle clear of the front of the complete holster pocket mouth. Well, that was why we wore those H726's on-duty in our plainclothes assignments, after all. Made for a very short lift drawstroke to clear the muzzle.

I was using the older style (brown) one on the right in this pic, with an issued 6906 (but in the pic the gun is my personally-owned 3913).


The pistol in the newer style (black) H726 was an issued 4513TSW.

What's it all mean? Beats the hell outta' me. Both holsters seemed 'fast enough', but then we spent a lot of trigger time on the range practicing.

The thumb break holster is a whole different animal. They seem to be safe, while I choose not to have one for CCW. My hunting rig for my M629 Classic, 5" is a Galco Phoenix. I love that holster because it can be worn in crassdraw fashion too. Handy for hunting and sitting.