Cert Denied :( NJ carry permit pushed to June 11, 2020 Conference

[schutzen-jager]

LEOSA

NJ does not even abide by federal law when it comes to LOESA - why would they listen to any court ruling with out any prolonged litigation - just the way politics are here for over a century - any changes will have to come at state level -

FLEOA and NJFOP jointly sue NJ for violating LEOSA | NJFOP

 

[GaryS]

All of the cases have been relisted for conference on Thursday. Apparently the Justices are knocking off early for the long weekend.

 

[schutzen-jager]

reality -

Let NJ get Shall Issue like every other state got it, through their Legislature.
I want the case Justice Kavanaugh is looking for, the Big One as he recently put it. NJ ain't it, imo.
I would contribute to the case benefitting the whole country.

totally true + accurate statement - every state that has achieved shall issue , right to carry has been done thru their state legislative action + never thru federal intervention -

 

[delcrossv]

totally true + accurate statement - every state that has achieved shall issue , right to carry has been done thru their state legislative action + never thru federal intervention -

Cough, cough, Illinois, cough, cough.

But for the Federal case, it never would have been brought up in the legislature.

 

[schutzen-jager]

JMHO

Cough, cough, Illinois, cough, cough.

But for the Federal case, it never would have been brought up in the legislature.

total conjecture - Feds had some bearing on Chicago but results were still local + state -

 

[bushmaster1313]

More than 4,000 people have obtained gun permits from the D.C. police department to carry loaded, concealed firearms on the streets of the nation's capital, according to data released this month.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/thousands-of-people-have-obtained-permits-to-carry-loaded-concealed-guns-in-public-in-dc/2020/03/13/c63415dc-6468-11ea-845d-e35b0234b136_story.html%3foutputType=amp

 

[delcrossv]

total conjecture - Feds had some bearing on Chicago but results were still local + state -

Conjecture? I guess so , for someone from Jersey.

Speaking as someone from Illinois and with some involvement in Illinois politics, it wasn't going anywhere without the federal (7th Cir.) decision. Madigan saw the writing on the wall and mooted the case.

 

[schutzen-jager]

reality

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/thousands-of-people-have-obtained-permits-to-carry-loaded-concealed-guns-in-public-in-dc/2020/03/13/c63415dc-6468-11ea-845d-e35b0234b136_story.html%3foutputType=amp

it took 17 years from the time of the court decision for them to issue permits with any resemblance of regularity + still carries a rejection rate of over 60% - also there is now no licensed gun dealer in D.C. for residents to legally acquire a handgun - still numerous unreasonable policies + costs that severely hamper the process ! -

 

[bushmaster1313]

it took 17 years from the time of the court decision for them to issue permits with any resemblance of regularity + still carries a rejection rate of over 60% - also there is now no licensed gun dealer in D.C. for residents to legally acquire a handgun - still numerous unreasonable policies + costs that severely hamper the process ! -

I think you might be mistaken. The decision which forced the District of Columbia to grant carry permits was decided July 25, 2017, less than three years ago. Under pressure from the anti-gun lobby, the District declined to appeal to the Supreme Court for fear that a decision by the Supreme Court would force New York City and New Jersey to grant permits. The permits in DC started issuing soon thereafter.

Here is a link to the decision out of DC.

Wrenn v. District of Columbia, No. 16-7025 (D.C. Cir. 2017) :: Justia

If you were thinking of Heller, that was decided by the Supreme Court in June 2008, just under 12 years ago, and it said nothing about "May Issue".

If the Supreme Court invalidates New Jersey's may issue and permits don't start issuing within 60 days, the lawsuits that will follow will be fast and furious.

 

[schutzen-jager]

I think you might be mistaken. The decision which forced the District of Columbia to grant carry permits was decided July 25, 2017, less than three years ago. Under pressure from the anti-gun lobby, the District declined to appeal to the Supreme Court for fear that a decision by the Supreme Court would force New York City and New Jersey to grant permits. The permits in DC started issuing soon thereafter.

Here is a link to the decision out of DC.

Wrenn v. District of Columbia, No. 16-7025 (D.C. Cir. 2017) :: Justia

If you were thinking of Heller, that was decided by the Supreme Court in June 2008, just under 12 years ago, and it said nothing about "May Issue".

If the Supreme Court invalidates New Jersey's may issue and permits don't start issuing within 60 days, the lawsuits that will follow will be fast and furious.

just research the effects of court decisions - the Heller decision was done in 2008 + had no viable effect on other states - it took DC years to even pretend to comply with it requiring multiple additional court actions - any supreme court decision is open to stays + numerous appeals - how long did it take the civil rights act to fully take effect in all states ? - law suits might come on quickly , but will not be decided for years or decades - just wishful thinking that NJ laws will change with out change of legislation on state level -

 

[bushmaster1313]

UPDATE 6.3.20
On June 1, 2020, the New Jersey "May Issue" case, and the nine other Second Second Amendment Petitions pending before the Supreme Court, were pushed again, this time to the Conference of June 4, 2020. The last Conference before the Summer Recess is June 25 and the last announcement on Petitions before the Summer Recess is probably June 29.

 

[bushmaster1313]

UPDATE 6.9.20
On June 8, 2020, the New Jersey "May Issue" case, and probably the nine other Second Second Amendment Petitions pending before the Supreme Court, were pushed again, this time to the Conference of June 11. The last conference before the Summer Recess is June 25 and the last announcement on Petitions before the Summer Recess is probably June 29.

 

[schutzen-jager]

reality's

even if it is heard + ruled on favorably it will have no effect on NJ law for many years - any change will have to come on a state level to have any effective change ! - from Florida in 1967 till now any changes in right to carry laws have come about on a state level + never thru federal intervention or mandate -

 

[bushmaster1313]

6.15.20. Cert Denied

 

[schutzen-jager]

as expected

KEYY POINTS
The U.S. Supreme Court said it will not hear appeals of a slew of cases involving gun laws, dealing a block to Second Amendment activists
Supreme Court decides not to hear big gun-rights cases, dealing blow to Second Amendment activists


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seek to expand the rights of gun owners.
In an order released Monday morning, the court denied petitions for appeals of 10 cases.
The action comes just weeks after the court declined to issue a substantive opinion in its first Second Amendment case in nearly a decade.

 

[schutzen-jager]

like I + many others have stated change is definitely more likely to be accomplished on a state level like all other states right to carry issues have been ! -

 

[fordson]

It is apparent that the SC made a de facto ruling with their "non-decision" that the states have the Unlimited right to regulate the "How" of the 2A. And the "How" can regulate the 2A out of existence.
I am extremely disappointed by actions of this supposedly conservative court.

Edit: I wonder if Sen Whitehouse (D-N.Y.) got to Roberts and some of the other Justices with his threats to pack the Court if they didn't tow the "D" line on gun rights.

 

[delcrossv]

Wimps. Threat of packing the Court is moot as long as R's hold the Senate, and will happen anyway if the D's take control.

Roberts is an accomodationist weenie.

 

[biku324]

They certainly let assault weapon bans stand.

 

[ladder13]

POI. Whitehouse is from RI. Schumer is from NY and has a long-standing habit of making comments such as those.