CHANGED HD WEAPON

[hotshot357]

I was using a 640 PRO for HD. I got thinking if I did need to use it,the outcome might not good. Would I forget to put on my glasses, would I even have time? So I decided to get one of the short "tactical" shotguns(firearms). I haven't got it set up yet but I should have it done this week. I'm going to install a light/laser combo.I'm not going to load it with any "hot" ammo and really thinking about using some mini shells in it. Any feed back out there from anyone that has one? Here is a pic of mine.

 

[zombie66]

I bought the Mossberg 590 Shockwave for HD and use #4 Shot shells in it.

The mini shells are ok but dont “short stroke” the Shotgun or your gonna have cycling issues.

I may be under powered in some perspectives but I guarantee 5 rounds being torched off in the middle of the night would make me piss myself.

I have not got a light setup yet but I will.

 

[hostler]

Sharp looking guns. IMO A laser is a must for HD if you need corrective lenses. For me the combination of darkness and not having g my glasses on makes iron sights useless.
As for using a pump gun for HD, to each their own but would not be one of my top five choices, one notch above lever action rifle.
Anyway, have fun decorating it.

 

[Nevada Ed]

With BAD eyes...............
a laser is a very helpful item.

Red if you are not color blind, then green as a option.

Who ever told you that you had to "AIM" a shotgun !!!
I got to meet that instructor..........!!

 

[Kanewpadle]

Just pointing out the obvious, but yes even with a shotgun you must still aim. Pointing a shotgun in the general direction is a myth. And you must still identify your target. So glasses are a must in you need them.

The “short” shotguns are quickly becoming accepted as a good home defense gun. But you need to be familiar with it and practice. The recoil is completely different.

 

[gonerydin]

This is mine

UTG green laser/light combo on top. 8 pellet 00 buck for HD. OpSol adaptor and mini shells for fun.


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[Mike in Reedley]

I have a “riot” shotgun in both my house and shop. However, they’re not the best weapon for every home defense incident. I think you still need a handgun you can discreetly conceal, in case the one who knocks turns out to be a lost pizza delivery person.

 

[gman51]

The old saying you don't need to aim with a shotgun is a myth. Up close with a SG the pattern is still tight and it isn't all that hard to miss a target when just shooting from the hip or straight out arm shot.

Next time you are out in the country and can do some shooting set out some filled water jugs. Try hitting them by shooting without aiming. Face the jug, hold the gun out and squeeze the trigger. I think you will be surprised how often you miss the jugs.

I have a bright flashlight attached to my Mossberg 500 and I figure if the light beam is right on the target I should be good.

BTW The Mossberg 500 pump has a mule kicking recoil reputation and it lives up to that. I have recoil pads on mine and they make a big difference in felt recoil.

 

[Smoke]

I have a “riot” shotgun in both my house and shop. However, they’re not the best weapon for every home defense incident. I think you still need a handgun you can discreetly conceal, in case the one who knocks turns out to be a lost pizza delivery person.

If you don't know who is knocking on your door why are you opening it?

 

[F75gunslinger]

I have a 500 that I redid for HD. I don't think you can do much better than a 12 gauge with buckshot. Set it up right and your weapon light is always right there, no need to look for it or have to use one hand for the gun and one for the light. Depending on what you choose it isn't the shortest option available, but in my opinion one of the best. I have 3" 00 buckshot in mine. The light is set up so all I need to do is press down with my thumb already on the pump and it comes on. Also added a night sight .

 

[Wise_A]

As shotguns require two hands, a weapon-mounted light is a must.

Other thing is, I sincerely believe that your home defense firearm should be whatever you shoot the most for fun. I don't think shotguns are so magical that they don't require practice. I do think that an intruder would find me a hell of a lot more dangerous with a double-stack 9mm or low-pressure N-frame than a shotgun. Simply because it's probably been nearly 10 years since I've fired a shotgun.

 

[Skeptic 9c]

I don't care for the magic "non-shotguns" a 20 bore with a short barrel and the under arm stance will do it for me. The short shells are often unavailable and need an adapter to be reliable. Best use of short shells I've seen was on the butt cuff of a single barrel.
Geoff
Who needs to work with his shotgun now that the temperature has broken, or at least bent toward less than broil here in NE FL.

 

[haywood]

Mine is a Riot Gun from Parma Ohio Police. Winchester 1300 Pump that I put an extended Mag tube on. I stager dear slugs and buck shot in it. My house is alarmed so I would grab the Snub first. When we used to camp in the woods the Riot gun was always close.

 

[lrrifleman]

The tactical shotguns that a few years ago would have been classified as sawed-off shotguns are intriguing and serve a law abiding purpose. Sadly, one will NOT find a haven in my home.

I am tired of getting caught on the short end when politicians can amend my rights and liberties. It is getting to the point where a rattlesnake is earning more of my respect and trust than politicians.

In NJ, prior to 1992, my 20 round magazines were legal. Between 1992 and 2018, my 15 round magazines and my post-ban AR and M1A were legal target rifles. Now with the new generation of liberal/socialist politicians, I am potentially facing prison and financial loss possessing what has been legal.

I also realise that a realistic solution to this changing wind politics is to move out of the state, but it is not always that easy! I am tired of the government "giveth and taketh away" attitude!

 

[colt_saa]

I have been using short shotgun shells in my WP shotguns for the last couple of decades.

We have two 12" Remington 870WPs and a 14" Mosberg 590 Marine

We were originally using the old Remington 1 7/8" shells. The 870s required a different (factory supplied) elevator installed to avoid the shells doubling feeding. This setup also worked for the Aguilla mini shells. I have been led to believe that the new 870s have this issue under control without changing the elevator however I have not had one in my hands yet to confirm or deny that information.

The Mossberg 590 family of shotguns always worked just fine with both the short Remingtons and the Aguilla Minis straight from the box.

Obviously the mini shells carry a smaller payload than normal 12 gauge shotgun shells so you will have less pellets on target with each trigger pull. You can also expect a reduction in recoil as well when comparing the mini shells to the full-size brothers .

Make sure that you and anyone in your family that may be called upon to use this firearm gets some practice. The recoil is very different than what you are used to from your Model 60 Pro and everyone needs to know what to expect.

If recoil is substantially objectionable, you could load the ShockWave with Less Lethal 00 Buck. The rubber buckshot has tremendously reduced recoil. You just need to remember that it also has tremendously reduced impact on target

 

[jimbo728]

The tactical shotguns that a few years ago would have been classified as sawed-off shotguns are intriguing and serve a law abiding purpose. Sadly, one will NOT find a haven in my home.

I am tired of getting caught on the short end when politicians can amend my rights and liberties. It is getting to the point where a rattlesnake is earning more of my respect and trust than politicians.

In NJ, prior to 1992, my 20 round magazines were legal. Between 1992 and 2018, my 15 round magazines and my post-ban AR and M1A were legal target rifles. Now with the new generation of liberal/socialist politicians, I am potentially facing prison and financial loss possessing what has been legal.

I also realise that a realistic solution to this changing wind politics is to move out of the state, but it is not always that easy! I am tired of the government "giveth and taketh away" attitude!

In NH we would welcome you with open arms. We still have those freedoms that NJ has stripped you of.
good luck
Jim

 

[Mike in Reedley]

If you don't know who is knocking on your door why are you opening it?

To see who is there. The alternatives would be to never answer the door and hope the one who knocks goes away. Or, answer the door every time with shotgun in hand, like some gun store commando wanna be.

 

[CB3]

I believe the close range terminal effects of a 20 ga w/00 buck are indistinguishable from a 12 ga.

The lighter 20 ga. gun offers reduced recoil and easier handling.

Slugs for home defense? Then why use a shotgun?

Smaller shot = reduced penetration. Pick your load carefully.

My HD shotgun is locked up. My HD pistol is immediately available at night. Pistol first, then if time, shotgun also, right after 911 (<4 minute response).

I do not plan to leave the safety afforded by my solid core/hardware reinforced bedroom door. I have a number of active and passive deterrents in place that reduce the likelihood of a home invasion or burglary.

And I chose to live in a state with low crime that supports my right to defend myself and home in better than a “common sense” fashion.

 

[Flyingfool]

I have read, (whether true or not I do not know) that 00 buck out od a 12 ga at about 20’ which is about typical shot for HD has a “spread” of about 4 incbes of the size of a mans clinched fist.

If that is true, the idea that you will not have to aim is complete male bovine excrement.

The use of a shotgun is less about not needing to aim, but rather over penetration. Even 00 buck that mksses, I have to believe will be less likely to leave the home than a 9mm or 45 acp. I suspect 00 buck will make ot through both sides of an interior drywall wall. Not sure about say #4 shot. But #4 shot won’t have the stopping power of 00 buck or most handgun rounds.

Every gun and cartridge has pros/cons. Everyone has to make their own choice what will work “best” for them and their family. In some states handguns are so discouraged, thwt shotgun may be the “best” of available limited number of choices.

 

[Farmer17]

My HD shotgun is a 21" barrel Remington Youth Model 20 gauge pump loaded with #3 Buckshot purchased from Walmart. It's light enough that I can hold it with one hand and open doors and, if it matters, it looks like a typical hunting shotgun instead of a 'Rambo Assault Master Tactical Death Slayer".

 

[CB3]

Shotgun Load Penetration

Note that these are bare gel shots, not cloth covered.

These look like standard ballistic gel blocks 6x6x16”.

Note penetration depth and pattern spread at 10’ (3.3 yards), which appears to be about 2-3”. At 20’ you could expect that spread to almost double, but it depends a lot on barrel length, choke and load. Some loads do not have shot cups and may spread faster.

Liveleak.com - San Diego Police Officer With Good Aim (/Luck) Kills Man Who Had Shot His Ex-Wife's Family And Had Just Tried To Kill Her As

 

[hardluk1]

If you find the minis shot shells are not reliable then you need this - OPSol(R) TEXAS.

I have no interest in a short shotgun with no stock . It does help to aim a shot gun even at inside of a house distances you do need to aim as you could miss the way I seen the advertising videos of the mossy so I keep a stock on mine . I can always tuck it between arm and ribs if its too long but some think this 12 or 20ga handguns are the cats butt . I think what the leave in the litter box !!

I spent a lot of my youth hunting deer in south florida swamps using a longer barrel but you learn to pattern brands of buck shot just like with a .22lr to find what works best for you . Remington 2 3/4" 1 buck works best for me but at a short range remingtons 4 bucks bad news too .
MY old 12ga has a 18" barrel on it and is filled with Remington 2 3/4" 4 buck . I would hate to short change some one the effect of 27 pellets of .24" fired at 1225fps from an 20" barrel .

 

[Smoke]

To see who is there. The alternatives would be to never answer the door and hope the one who knocks goes away. Or, answer the door every time with shotgun in hand, like some gun store commando wanna be.

The idea I was getting at was to positively identify the person knocking before opening the door. I can answer the door without opening the door.

 

[Mike in Reedley]

The idea I was getting at was to positively identify the person knocking before opening the door. I can answer the door without opening the door.

So do you answer the door every time with shotgun in hand? That’s the point I’m getting at.

 

[Mister X]

I sold off my shotguns and rifles several years ago since I just didn't see a practical need for them anymore. I took at look at these short shotguns when they came out and they didn't change my mind. I'll stick with my handguns and would feel pretty well armed with just a 640 snub(I myself own a few airweights), although I do also have a few Glocks I keep handy.

 

[Echo40]

This is my Home Defense firearm.

I had to choose between the Taurus Judge, S&W Governor, and Mossberg Shockwave, but ultimately the Judge won due to the fact that I could keep it right at my bedside for easy access and it was significantly cheaper than than the Governor at about half the price without being of significantly lower quality, believe it or not.
Mine is the "Magnum" version, which is just a standard Judge with an even longer cylinder to accept 3" shells, not to be confused with the Raging Judge which can handle .454 Casull.

I'd still like to get a Mossberg Shockwave 12 Gauge eventually though, especially now that it's available with more durable finishes.

 

[waffles]

I had a shockwave for the cool factor and because I hoped I could get good enough with it that I could use it as a close in slug gun when camping in Montana and parts of Wyoming. My thoughts on it are as follows:

They are not intuitive to point shoot from close in. Whereas with most rifles and shotguns I can hipfire and get reasonably on target at close range, the shockwave was quite difficult. As with other shotguns, these still have a tight pattern close in and will need to be aimed to hit your target. This brings me to the next point:

If you're holding it out in front of you to see the bead and aim, in a way that you're not going to smack yourself in the chin under recoil (ask me how I know!) you're coming close to, or surpassing, the length of a standard stocked shotgun without any of the benefits of the full stocked shotgun. With the standard shotgun, you can also tuck it in under your arm and have a short length going around corners and whatnot. I came to this conclusion before watching the following youtube video, but these guys explain it a lot better than I do:

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYjThckYqBQ[/ame]

You also lose the one-handed ability that goes along with having a handgun, and have to deal with the slow loading process (though you could of course keep it loaded, or at least the tube loaded, I personally do not like doing this).

They are fun guns to have around, and I'll eventually have a Tac14 wood variant, but as a solely cool factor gun rather than a defensive tool. My opinions are also worth exactly what you paid for them, and if you practice a lot you might get great with them.

 

[RobertJ.]

While it's pretty far from "tacticool", this is my idea of the perfect HD shotgun:

 

[RobertJ.]

But this is the one I grab if I need to get up in the middle of the night:

 

[Echo40]

DISCLAIMER: The following post is a general statement directed at no one in particular, intended for the purpose of clearing confusion/misconceptions in regards to short-barreled firearms, particularly that of the Mossberg Shockwave/Remington Tac-14.

I think the problem with the Shockwave/Tac-14 has less to do with the firearms themselves and more to do with general misconceptions in regards to the application of short-barreled firearms.

If you try to use a firearm with a short-barrel and a pistol grip the same way/under the same conditions as you would a full-length firearm with a shoulder stock, then obviously it's not going to work as well.
You'd think that goes without saying, but apparently it doesn't, especially when even trained professionals make the same mistake.
What's more, just because a short-barrel firearm with a pistol grip doesn't function/perform as well as a full-length firearm with a shoulder stock when used in a similar manner does not make it "impractical" or a "novelty" or a "gimmick" and most of all "useless" like certain folks often write them off as, it merely means that they have a different manual of operation.

Firearms such as the Shockwave and Tac-14 work best as close-range self-defense tools, specifically indoors. They have served Law Enforcement very well in that niche for several decades, but their specific manual of operation is practically unknown to civilians because up until very recently such firearms were rather costly and tedious to obtain.
The fact of the matter is, such firearms weren't designed nor intended for long-range use, but at extremely close indoor ranges that a S.W.A.T. team would find themselves in, hence the short barrels. The barrels are short for the sake of maneuverability in cramped quarters, to be fired at ranges in which aiming is unnecessary as it is impractical, yet still offer the same devastating power of a 12 Gauge. Which brings me to my next point...

Contrary to popular belief, short barrels do not adversely affect low pressure cartridges such as shotgun shells in terms of velocity to any severe degree. As a matter of fact, when it comes to the 12 Gauge, anything past 12" begets diminishing returns in terms of velocity gain, so much so that out of your standard 18" barrel the amount of velocity you gain over a 12" barrel is in the double-digits, but hey, don't take my word for it...

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