Choosing A Self Defense Handgun Trainer

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Gun Digest has a brief but good analysis of the choosing of a handgun instructor for self defense. It supports my contention made several times in this Forum that most handgun instructors do not have the right background to teach SD gun defense. It is worth the read.

Handgun trainers typically come from a variety of shooting backgrounds. But do these background necessarily make them the best trainers for armed citizens?

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Since you were in the Military, most troops have a different type of training when it comes to self defense. I would lean toward the Law Enforcement Instructor that has been to numerous schools of advance pistol certification and schools that advance him to training geared toward hostile environments. As a Certified NRA Training Counselor/Instructor, I have retired from law enforcement certified by the Florida Criminal Justice Standards Training Commission and Florida Department of Law Enforcement instructing in advance pistol instruction, Personal Protection in the home and Personal Protection Outside the home and advance Shotgun Instructor. The person you would seek out would have these qualification outside the basic pistol norm. The courses are rugged and count on shooting at least 1000 rounds a day in tactical scenarios. Courses are not inexpensive but you will learn what you are looking for in a qualified instructor.

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I can't speak for every single trainer but some of that stuff in the article is BS. I've taken classes from military personnel and even though their training is in a team environment they train you in a way where that doesn't matter. Guys like LAV, Travis Healey, Hackathon...etc.. All have great self defense classes that better than any NRA instructor who has no real experience outside of qualifying for an instructor role

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There may be some level of BS in the article. I do not know from experience since I never took training after retiring from the Corps. But I have observed training done by target shooting trainers and was aghast at some of the advice they gave. I have never listened to a former LEO trainer. I have listened to a military background trained and found his advise to be a bit aggressive.

Personally, I understand the military aggressive approach since I was formed as a warrior in the culture. I have been out of the Corps almost as long as I was in it. It took me. Long time to temper my thoughts about SD but they still are more aggressive than others. I just have a
built in circuit that tells me - when in danger - Attack.
 
There are firearms trainers and there are self defense trainers. They are not necessarily the same. It also depends on what your course of instruction is.

For instance, does a concealed handgun class which includes the rules and laws for shooting in self defense make that instructor a self defense trainer?

Does the class involve experienced shooters shooting at moving targets, in the dark, point shooting, and similar exercises?

Does the class involve stress shooting, clearing a jam (load one or more dummy rounds and practice shooting at an attacker and you'll see what I mean), and similar creative activities?

Does the class teach you how to handle and shoot your handgun accurately but not involve rapid fire strings under stress?

It's not the trainer (assuming he or she is not inept) - it's the course of fire and the learning, on the range or in a classroom, that distinguishes between the two. If you want to learn self defense techniques review the curriculum, then choose your trainer.
 
There may be some level of BS in the article. I do not know from experience since I never took training after retiring from the Corps. But I have observed training done by target shooting trainers and was aghast at some of the advice they gave. I have never listened to a former LEO trainer. I have listened to a military background trained and found his advise to be a bit aggressive.

Personally, I understand the military aggressive approach since I was formed as a warrior in the culture. I have been out of the Corps almost as long as I was in it. It took me. Long time to temper my thoughts about SD but they still are more aggressive than others. I just have a
built in circuit that tells me - when in danger - Attack.
It depends on what the guy said and in what context. I wasn't there but i can see how some may be too aggressive. However, aggression can have different forms. You can start going all Punisher or you can be mentally prepared to fight. That's aggression too. Fight harder than the other guy and have the "I'm going to win" mentality even if ....and especially when getting shot. Of course that DOESN'T mean that when the guy runs away you jump in your car and mow him down

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I have great respect for the articles author - Tom Givens, but there are a few assumptions he makes with which I disagree. For example, he states that instructors with military background have been taught that some level of collateral damage is acceptable, and that this is at odds with the civilian world. Perhaps this is true, but it presumes that the instructor is incapable of adjusting his training to suit his students situation, and I disagree with that.

He makes good points about the need to make sure that any instructor we choses is equipped to provide the training we need, for its intended purpose. I view the article as information on things to *consider* when choosing an instructor, rather than a definitive authority on the subject.
 
However, aggression can have different forms. You can start going all Punisher or you can be mentally prepared to fight. That's aggression too.

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You really think so?
I don't.
 
I think the author makes some salient points. While there is some overlap between the three categories he lists and the armed citizen in terms of the situations they may face, I agree that it may not be wise to choose an instructor on background alone. Now, if an instructor has a MIL/LE/competition background, but can translate that to the needs of armed citizens, then their experience can be beneficial. Also, if potential students are more experienced and knowledgeable about what their needs are, they may be able to take what the instructor offers and adapt it to their own situation. For example, a student who's already familiar with the legal aspects of self defense from prior training may seek out an instructor with a competition background to improve on speed, accuracy, or both.

At the same time, just because someone has a MIL/LE/competitive background doesn't mean they can teach.

Additionally, just because someone doesn't have a MIL/LE/competitive background doesn't mean they don't have anything worthwhile to offer a self defense student.

FWIW, I've often thought about what kind of background would make for a good armed citizen self defense instructor, and I came to the conclusion that experience in undercover intelligence work would be very useful, presuming the person was a good instructor, too. An undercover intelligence officer typically works alone without back-up in the field, is someone who must be aware of their surroundings (counter-surveillance), be able to avoid incidents either by evasion or de-escalation, and doesn't engage "the enemy" unless absolutely necessary. I see some parallels to the needs of armed citizens. One of the reasons I regret not being able to take a class with Ed Lovette before he retired.

Someone with VIP protection experience would be second, as their job is really avoiding problems in the first place and getting their protectee out of danger if something does happen. While armed citizens don't typically have the resources often available to protection details, some of the concepts are applicable.

Just my opinion, of course.
 
For example, he states that instructors with military background have been taught that some level of collateral damage is acceptable.

I'm sorry but this statement is absolutely ridiculous. And whoever made it has zero experience with how military training is conducted.
 
To what specifically? Mentally prepared to fight? Yes! Doesn't mean you're walking around gun in hand and the other fist clenched ready to Kung Fu and shoot your way though.

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"or you can be mentally prepared to fight. That's aggression too."

^^^^^I don't agree with that statement that you made.
 
Honestly? The article is packed with sweeping, erroneous generalizations. Here's a few just from the police section (although the military and competitive sections are just as god-awful).

First, the police officer has a sworn duty to seek out, confront, and arrest very bad people for doing very bad things, and to press forward in the face of armed resistance. This is the opposite of what the citizen should be doing, namely avoidance, deterrence, de-escalation and evasion. Using the firearm is a last ditch, desperate measure, as a last resort for the armed citizen.

Actual police officers who worked in places that actually needed them have tons of experience deterring and de-escalating dangerous situations. Because fighting and shooting isn't what they're there to do. And they're usually quite proficient at identifying pre-attack behavior.

What you want to do is find out how long your potential instructor was a police officer, where they did time, and what they did there. If a guy claims to be retired police, but doesn't qualify for LEOSA, walk away immediately. If he didn't work long enough to get LEOSA, but claims to be retired law enforcement, he's lying or fluffing his resume with non-sworn time. A guy that was a part-time cop for two years in a McMansion suburb town has zero experience. If he's using that claim to support his credentials, it means he has nothing better.

A guy that did 30 years in a big city, with 3 years as department rangemaster? Yes, he'll be able to teach you things.

Other differences include the fact that the officer will usually have a full size service pistol and lots of spare ammo, body armor, armed and trained partner(s), a long gun in the car, and direct real-time radio contact with armed friends.

lolno. Many jurisdictions have officers on individual patrol. And in a deadly confrontation, by the time backup arrives, the fight's already over in most cases.

People are trained to wear body armor. The whole point of training, however, is to not actually use it.

And I've heard exactly one thing that a cop learned about having a long gun in the trunk. It came from Sergeant Timothy Gramins, who learned that the AR-15 in his trunk and the Remington 870 in the squad car did him absolutely zero good when he got into a shootout. And the 47 rounds of .45 ACP he carried, which resulted in 14 hits, just barely put the bad guy down. Backup didn't arrive until long after the fight was over.

Oh, and he switched to a Glock 17, and 145 rounds of 9mm ammunition.

But frankly, I think Gramins' lesson of "If it ain't on you, you don't have it" is a pretty good self-defense lesson.

Next issue. Police trainers tend to have a distorted view of engagement distances, because of their duty to arrest.

This is true, but CCW holders are equally foolish. How many people never practice beyond 7 yards?

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You want an instructor? Look for an instructor. All the experience in the world doesn't mean a damn thing. If I had to pick an instructor based on former profession alone--I would pick a retired teacher. Because they likely know how to teach, which is the first thing we want.

Beyond that? Basic knowledge. Do they know what fundamentals of pistol marksmanship are? Protip: "Follow-through" is not "doing the same thing on the next shot" (I wish I was making that up). Do they know about practical CCW issues? If you ask them what their thoughts are on the Serpa controversy, and they ask you what Himalayan mountain climbing has to do with CCW--move along.

Do they advocate dumb things? Sorry, but empty-chamber carry is an option of last resort, only to be used if you can't get comfortable with loaded-chamber carry or your gun is difficult or unsafe to operate from "Condition 1" (and you can't get another gun that you can carry ready to go). If a guy tells you to carry with an empty chamber because you're more likely to shoot yourself than need to defend yourself, that's a guy that (A) thinks you are a moron, (B) is wildly confused about concealed carry, and (C) doesn't realize that he should be teaching you how to carry safely.

Do they have a case of the "Onlys"? Ask them about, say, cartridges. If their answer is that ".45 ACP is the only self-defense cartridge to use, you have to shoot a guy twice with a 9mm to equal one .45", then they have no idea what they're talking about. There are no only's. Here's a better answer:

"Well, I think that 9mm is a great balance of size, capacity, and power, and the smaller 9mm guns are still quite usable. But .380 is certainly powerful enough, and .380 pocket autos are a lot easier to conceal than a double-stack 9mm subcompact. And single-stack .45s like the Springfield XDS are certainly concealable and perform quite well. Here, try out one of mine and see how comfortable you are with it."
 
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To make it simple, stay away from mall ninja trainers, and seek trainers with solid reputations. Keep in mind also that once a year weekend classes are mostly worthless for developing full time skills. Common sense is the most important quality in both student, and teacher. It doesn't take long to see either is an idiot.

Do research into state, and local laws. If the trainer does not know them, they ARE incompetent.
 
From my perspective, learning a discipline requires three levels of training. Each level requires an instructor with different qualifications.

1) Learning the fundamentals of the discipline.
2) Learning a framework(s) that tie the fundamentals together into the discipline.
3) Learning the practical application of the framework.

With level one and level two, once an instructor reaches some minimum level of knowledge, the most important skill is teaching ability, not more subject matter knowledge or deeper experience. From a self defense standpoint, an example of level one might be an NRA basic pistol course and an example of level 2 might be the NRA home defense course.

It's level three, the practical application of some framework, that's where having "been there done that" matters.

I wouldn't have any problem taking an NRA Home Defense course from a competitive shooter with no self defense experience if he/she knows the NRA material and is a good teacher.

If I'm going to take a true application class, I want someone who's BTDT and can convey what they learned from their first hand experience. Their teaching skill is secondary.
 
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If you can understand instructions well enough, I would just recommend acquiring published books on SD shooting. That's what I did, and it's easy enough to learn if you're a "book smart" person.

A few I have are Shooting to Live by Fairbairn and Sykes, The Tactical Advantage by Suarez, Kill or Get Killed by Applegate.

Of course it's great to have a real instructor, but you got to find a good one. I would rather read books by vetted individuals, and apply their techniques in my own training.
 
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CURRENTLY/STILL IN THE PROCESS.

One of many skills but important. Practice point shooting! To develop any kind of skill with that will require a ton of ammo SO IMO a 22 revolver (I like revolvers) that are similar in design, size/wt, platform as your S/D weapon.
 
I’m lucky.

I had the privilege of being trained by Jeff Cooper.

Not an option for folks looking for training today, but there are folks out there who were trained by Cooper and offer training.

I’d pick one of these folks.
 
My feeling on this one are simple take training from as many as possible, sift out what fits your need and take those skills to the bank. remembering also if you take training from the best but do not practice what the instructor taught you you should have stayed home
 
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