badguybuster
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I have a chance to pick up a model p and a cattleman. Anyone used either? Opinions?
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mkk41
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Most of Cimarrons line is made by Uberti , which is now owned by Beretta.
I have several Uberti guns. They are of excellent quality. They even provided Colt with parts for their Signature Series percussion revolvers.
Uberti also makes guns for other importers (Dixie , Navy Arms). The main differences are some are not as nicely finished/polished/blued , to meet a certain price range. Still a good solid gun though.
I have several Uberti guns. They are of excellent quality. They even provided Colt with parts for their Signature Series percussion revolvers.
Uberti also makes guns for other importers (Dixie , Navy Arms). The main differences are some are not as nicely finished/polished/blued , to meet a certain price range. Still a good solid gun though.
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fat tom
Absent Comrade
I have a Model P in 44-40 and .45 Colt. Both are early issue. NICE guns.
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Stevie
Member
If you buy an Uberti..stay away from the 'charcoal blue' finish..
The brilliant blue is pretty but Uberti's version(at least on my SSA clone) ain't very durable. Get the regular blue.
The better grade Uberti's are as good as any..
The brilliant blue is pretty but Uberti's version(at least on my SSA clone) ain't very durable. Get the regular blue.
The better grade Uberti's are as good as any..
BearBio
Member
The Cimarrons are better finished, in general. Wife started out with Uberti's and I have a couple as back-ups for CAS. I have several rifles. NO COMPLAINTS!
mkk41
US Veteran
Well , maybe 1 complaint.
The old style flat springs are STIFF!
I added a Wolff wireform spring kit. What a difference!
feralmerril
Absent Comrade
I have this dakota. The first time I shot it the forward screw that holds the ejector houseing come off and I sent it back. They did fix it? I dont think I have shot it since. Looks good and fitted up well for the money.
Will Carry
Member
Do you plan on shooting them a lot? Do know anything about gunsmithing? If so then go for it!
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I only own one Uberti/Cimmaron and it's a Colt Open Top repro.
I happened into two of them, one still NIB and kept the other 'lightly' pre-enjoyed one.
I really like it and had been casually looking for one anyway.
A few things about it needed some work.
As state already, the springs can be overly strong in Uberti guns and this one was no exception.
The bolt spring was so strong it actually kicked the bolt off of the hammer cam early and produced what felt like a 1/4 cock notch which the Open Top does not have.
A simple replacement w/a Heinie brand wire spring from Brownells made all well again and actually brought the revolver back to life feeling like it had had an action job.
The main spring I thinned just a touch but probably could have been left alone.
The ejector rod hung up on a machined cut in the ejector rod tube at the very end. It makes a slight turn there and the angles are abrupt causing it to jam when operated. Smoothing them out with needle files took care of that.
The firing pin was a bit too long and pointed like an ice pick. It punctured 80% of the primers fired on the first batch of loads I put through it.
Shortening it and rounding the tip took care of that issue.
The bbl wedge was installed & removed with what appears to be a Fred Flintstone style rock hammer at one time but that isn't a factory problem.
What was is the cylinder shaft being a touch too long and not allowing the bbl assembly to slide on all the way and mate with the front of the frame.
A former user decided to hammer the wedge tighter to draw the bbl and frame tight together. It doesn't work that way.
All small adjustments, but things that should have been done upon factory assembly for normal operation.
As I said, I liked the Open Top style just as a shooter and still do. It's a very accurate revolver.
I don't know if other's are the same, it's the only O/Top I've ever worked on.
Several SAA Uberti's have come in for adjustments, repair over the years. Usually just the overly heavy springs,,timing problems from wear, stiff actions from poor fit on occasion.
Generally pretty nice firearms. Some can use many Colt small parts interchangably,,others not. Seems to depend on the age/when produced.
The QC seems to run up and down on Uberti made products but nothing that can't be adjusted or fixed.
It's just that you shouldn't have to fix things on a gun right out of the box just to make it work correctly.
I happened into two of them, one still NIB and kept the other 'lightly' pre-enjoyed one.
I really like it and had been casually looking for one anyway.
A few things about it needed some work.
As state already, the springs can be overly strong in Uberti guns and this one was no exception.
The bolt spring was so strong it actually kicked the bolt off of the hammer cam early and produced what felt like a 1/4 cock notch which the Open Top does not have.
A simple replacement w/a Heinie brand wire spring from Brownells made all well again and actually brought the revolver back to life feeling like it had had an action job.
The main spring I thinned just a touch but probably could have been left alone.
The ejector rod hung up on a machined cut in the ejector rod tube at the very end. It makes a slight turn there and the angles are abrupt causing it to jam when operated. Smoothing them out with needle files took care of that.
The firing pin was a bit too long and pointed like an ice pick. It punctured 80% of the primers fired on the first batch of loads I put through it.
Shortening it and rounding the tip took care of that issue.
The bbl wedge was installed & removed with what appears to be a Fred Flintstone style rock hammer at one time but that isn't a factory problem.
What was is the cylinder shaft being a touch too long and not allowing the bbl assembly to slide on all the way and mate with the front of the frame.
A former user decided to hammer the wedge tighter to draw the bbl and frame tight together. It doesn't work that way.
All small adjustments, but things that should have been done upon factory assembly for normal operation.
As I said, I liked the Open Top style just as a shooter and still do. It's a very accurate revolver.
I don't know if other's are the same, it's the only O/Top I've ever worked on.
Several SAA Uberti's have come in for adjustments, repair over the years. Usually just the overly heavy springs,,timing problems from wear, stiff actions from poor fit on occasion.
Generally pretty nice firearms. Some can use many Colt small parts interchangably,,others not. Seems to depend on the age/when produced.
The QC seems to run up and down on Uberti made products but nothing that can't be adjusted or fixed.
It's just that you shouldn't have to fix things on a gun right out of the box just to make it work correctly.
I have a Cimmaron "Wyatt Earp" single action with ten inch barrel in .45 Colt. This one has the "presentation shield" inletted in the grip like the one in the movie "Tombstone". It's a nice gun and finished well. I haven't shot it much, but it seems to shoot to the point of aim with factory ammo. I wanted a "Buntline" but didn't want to pay the price for a Colt nor did I want the 12 inch barrel.
A while after I got the gun, I ordered and got a fully checkered one-piece grip for the gun from Cimmaron. They are very nice and fit right on the gun without any work at all. I tried them on a Colt Single Action Army but they are a little oversized for that gun and would need some work to fit correctly. Nevertheless, the checkering is so good, I have been considering ordering a couple more.
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A while after I got the gun, I ordered and got a fully checkered one-piece grip for the gun from Cimmaron. They are very nice and fit right on the gun without any work at all. I tried them on a Colt Single Action Army but they are a little oversized for that gun and would need some work to fit correctly. Nevertheless, the checkering is so good, I have been considering ordering a couple more.
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mc5aw
Member
I recently sold a Model P 7-1/2" .357. Very nice singe action; fit and finish was excellent. Cimarron prices are steadily rising, so get one while you can if it's a good deal. I've found that although they are basically the same, Cimarrons grade out a bit higher than Ubertis quality-wise. Not by much, but worth mentioning.
feralmerril
Absent Comrade
I have this General George S Patton commemrative made by Uberti for the american historical foundation. Its .45 colt and silver plated fully engraved. I bought it cheap roughly 30 years ago used/new. I bought it because it was super cheap, about $250s. The last ones were advertised for right at $3,000s!
I have never shot it as I also have a real colt like it. (standard). I have been tempted to shoot it but it probley would be dumb to. I really should sell it and probley would if I could get near like this one is advertised for. What do you think? I dont have the case. I cut the plastic tie off it and misplaced the direction sheet and factory pw.http://www.gunsinternational.com/Ub...r-plated-pres-case-rare-.cfm?gun_id=100251708
I have never shot it as I also have a real colt like it. (standard). I have been tempted to shoot it but it probley would be dumb to. I really should sell it and probley would if I could get near like this one is advertised for. What do you think? I dont have the case. I cut the plastic tie off it and misplaced the direction sheet and factory pw.http://www.gunsinternational.com/Ub...r-plated-pres-case-rare-.cfm?gun_id=100251708
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badguybuster
Member
I was just informed that although it is a 357 mag it can't handle true 357 mag loads. Anyone know if that is true? I emailed cimarron to ask
BearBio
Member
OF course. It goes w/o saying all my leaf springs get replaced with new ones by Wolf and all Rugers get a coil or two removed!
safearm
US Veteran
I have a pair of .45 Colt Uberti's imported by Charles Daly that I use for Cowboy Mounted Shooting. The only modification is I replaced the factory mainsprings with a Wolff springs. They do what I need them to do.
Vulcan Bob
Member
I used two box stock 3 1/2 inch Uberti Thunderers in .45 Colt and a box stock Uberti 73 Winchester clone in .45 Colt in SASS compitition for eight years. A lot of full power (8gr Unique-250gr RNFP's) out of those three with zero problems.
Old Corp
Member
Just sold a Cattleman that came out of an estate for $150. It had the .45 ACP cylinder only. Shot great, much more accurate that I would have ever guessed.
Just sold it for $400.
Just sold it for $400.
I doubt it. In todays lawyer infested world (nothing personel forum lawyers) that would be like just roll marking it the "sue me model."
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