Civil unrest predicted by Gerald Celente

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I just watched the video and several others that came up with it.Kind of gives you an "uneasy" feeling.
Maybe some of our older members (I'm only 33)can give us some perspective.Have things ever felt like this before?
Maybe the 60's with Vietnahm, Cuban missel crisis, assasinations ,riots,ect.
How about the late70's/early 80's with the cold war rageing, the economy in bad shape and hostages in Iran.
 
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Glenn Beck?'nuff said.I liked him when he was a drunk and fat.Fox,please get rid of him and Geraldo[Jerry Rivers].Oh,yeah,the guy[Gerald]on Beck?No way.
 
Having lived through Vietnam (literally) and having served as a law enforcement officer throughout the 1970's to 1990's, I have observed many things and given a great deal of thought to the possibilities.

Here are a few of my thoughts:

1. There is not a grocery store in the US with more than a week or two supply of food for the people in that area.

2. There is not a utility service (electrical, gas, water, sewer) that will continue to function normally without regular maintenance for more than a week or two.

3. There are approximately 50,000,000 people in the US that are wholly, or partially, dependent upon government aid programs for their continued survival. Many of these folks are second and third generation welfare recipients, and they have been indoctrinated in having some "rights" (to housing, to food, to medical services, etc).

4. As we are now tripling the budget deficits, and quadripling the national debt within a few years at present rates, inflation in the US economy is a foregone conclusion. When, and how much, inflation will kick in remains up for grabs; but we have the clear evidence of the Carter administration (1977 to 1981) to demonstrate what can happen with unemployment at 12%-plus, inflation rates at 15%-plus, and interest rates on personal debt and mortgages pushing 20%. The results are devastating.

What happens when civil unrest begins within a local area? What happens when civil unrest spreads beyond a local area, effecting a state or region?

What happens when unemployment benefits and welfare checks become so affected by inflation that many can no longer feed themselves? When a dollar won't buy ten cents worth of anything?

What happens when groups of hungry young people start raiding their neighbors?

What happens when we call 911? Will the phone service still be working? Will we get an answer, or a taped message? We saw the beginnings of such a catastrophe in Los Angeles, following the Rodney King incident. What was the government's response? They banned sales of firearms and ammunition. They told citizens that they were on their own, emergency services personnel could not get to them.

I suggest that we need to be prepared for any eventualities. We need to be ready to hunker down and survive, and in order to do that we need to have the ability to defend ourselves and what belongs to us. Perhaps we should be thinking about organizing groups of families, banding together for mutual defense. No one can stay awake 24 hours per day, and no single family can defend their home against a determined assault from all sides.

I predict that there will be a lot of very unhappy, and very hungry people, ready to take to the streets and neighborhoods and forcibly take what they need and want. I predict that the government will be able to do little more than protect government property. I predict that law enforcement officers will do what they have to do to protect their own families, regardless of the consequences for others.

I also predict that the rest of the world won't stand idly by while our system collapses. The UN is likely to deploy Somali, Bosnian, and other forces within the US, purportedly to prevent chaos but more likely to loot, pillage, and plunder (as they have done everywhere UN peacekeepers have been deployed).

Many people don't like to think about what is possible. Many people don't like to consider just how quickly things can become totally out of control.

Too many people are accustomed to relying upon others, and the government, for their continued survival and well-being.

Food, water, medical supplies, ammunition, and organization. These may be the only considerations at some point in the (near?) future.
 
Maybe some of our older members (I'm only 33)can give us some perspective.Have things ever felt like this before?
Maybe the 60's with Vietnahm, Cuban missel crisis, assasinations ,riots,ect.

I grew up during the cold war. Learned "Duck and Cover" in elementary school. Saw the news first hand on the various assasinations and the Cuban Missile Crisis. Withnessed Viet Nam on TV and the protests that went with it. The Civil Rights Movement and riots.

In all of these the threat either came from outside or from easily identifiable groups. Basicly, we knew exactly who the enemy was.

Now the country is threatening to implode from within. Economic collapse, civil unrest, anarchy? Can you trust your neighbor if these things happen? Every man for himself? Exactly who is friend and who is foe?

No, it never felt anything like this.
And that's why it scares me.
 
True Survivors

I was born in the late 50's and i don't remember any times like these. Our culture has eroded since that time, our ability to manufacture has diminished, the majority of our population do not know how to feed or provide for themselves much less survive in critical times. It will always come down to the "have nots" trying to take from the ones that have. I always remember the 5P's, PROPER PREPARATION PREVENTS POOR PERFORMANCE.True survivors hone and perfect there skills, and prepare for the worst. I too, expect hyper inflation will be the big problem in the near future if Government continues to expand and spend at the expontential rate we are now experiencing. Where is all the money going to come from?
 
Perhaps we should be thinking about organizing groups of families, banding together for mutual defense. No one can stay awake 24 hours per day, and no single family can defend their home against a determined assault from all sides.
I have long felt that this is likely the most important aspect of surviving longish-term disruptions of society. And it is a bit counter intuitive because many traditional preparedness people tend toward the isolated individual preparedness tilt.

I see this individualist mindset frequently, especially in the rural areas where many people have a bit of a false impression of safety. Yes, initially you will likely be better off than your city counterparts, but they will come to you if you have the resources they want. (yeah, I know, you have a bunch of guns, and a dog, and...) That will work for awhile.

Banding together with your neighbors has more positives beyond just the ability to put up a defense against aggressors. Sharing resources, skill sets, etc is important as well in a deteriorated society. When we have major flooding events around here I'm always heartened by the way the community comes together to help others. I have distinct memories of those various rescue efforts, including neighbors slogging through chest high flood waters to rescue a farmers livestock from certain death, one animal at a time.

Never underestimate the power of a group of people with a common interest, in this case, survival.
 
Actually, there's only a couple of days of food in the supply chain, not weeks.

Americans are usually too lazy and complacent to riot these days, or even protest angrily and en-masse. Contrast 1968/69 to the recent past when the Iraq war hit levels of unpopularity equal to the Vietnam war in '68. Other than electing someone promising a "peace with honor" draw down/turn over to the locals, the pattern broke when it came to a lack of large scale student/young people unrest.

That might change when people get hungry, and those closer to the edge are of course always more likely to take the streets since they realize that live isn't like what is shown on TV.

Where I lived until 2006, you always risked being put on hold when calling 911. This begat a lifelong habit of carrying a lot of ammunition.

The LA Riots never spread all that far. Outside of California and a few other areas, the increasing prevlance of the M4 clone as a replacement for the old standard 12 gauge "riot" gun and improved "castle" laws rather makes it unlikely that inner city type unrest will reach suburbia. Unless someone is particularly ruthless or has ice water in their veins, they're unlikely to fire into a mob containing women and children even if said mob is rushing their supplies. They're also far more likely to shoot "at" people then to shoot them. People that are that ruthless usually don't function too well in society in general and aren't a lot of fun to be around. (Unless they're highly functional, in which case they're probably a success in finance, business or law.)

If suburbia isn't eating, then that's a seperate matter. It'd take a while, but eventually one could see soccer moms working the corner or sneaking up to the back porch with a hatchet when they smell your beef stew cooking.

Commune style living or arrangements usually don't work out. Conflicting personalties, lack of trained leadership, differing goals, feuding over the women, and of course showing up the Federal radar as a possible extremist are all draw backs.

Aside from that, most people buy the wrong stuff and get the freeze dried pork chops but forget their NVGs, rifle plates, and gas masks. They also lack the conditioning (unless a ghetto resident or recently returned from a combat zone) and attitude to deal well with a crisis. What are you going to do, shoot your friends, neighbors, the paper boy over a can of beef stew? Maybe. Again... Most people aren't cut out for that though.

There's youtube vids of the Korean store owners in LA shooting at the looters. They were shooting "at" them and not shooting them. The looters shot back, but the end result seems to have been little more than making a lot of noise. Guess it made everyone feel better.

I'd suggest checking out FerFal's blog about Argentina's economic collapse and his book about the same for some generally sound advice and a realistic picture of what to expect in a major down turn (in case the current positive economic information is mostly just massaged numbers as is the case with the unemployment numbers which are running higher).

Increased crime, dirty water and brownouts along with spot shortages of food are realistic possibilities in a major down turn.

An inflationary economy actually presents all sorts of opportunities if one is a savvy sort though. If one actually believes that is coming, the worst thing to do is pay off your debts. You'd want to maximize them in pursuit of durable assets and stockpiled goods. Then you obtain money in the inflated economy and use it pay your debts that are denominated in preinflated dollars. I've yet to see any doomsayer give this advice, instead they give the opposite, making me wonder if they really believe what they are saying. All the ones I hear on late night radio push debt elimination strategies, often based on buying their books to find out how.

I also note that many doomsayers run subscription web sites or sell newsletters. Much like Mel Tappan did, who'd married into money, but made still more preaching about an imminent economic collapse. (He's been dead for 30 years.... Which didn't stop a guy who'd recently read old Mel's book on another forum from being frightened by it.)
 
My brother is a former MP (Korean DMZ '67 and Berlin '68-'70) and was a reserve police officer working for a local law enforcement agency (not LAPD) at the time of the 1992 Los Angeles riots (after the Roddy King incident and the trial of the LAPD officers involved in that incident). He was at home in Harbor City, California (part of the City of Los Angeles, right next to the City of Torrance in the South Bay) one night while others areas of Los Angeles were ablaze.

Anyway, some "male usuals" come into his neighborhood obviously looking trouble (trying to break into some homes). He called 911 stating that some folks were attemping to break into homes. The 911 gal states, "There are no units to send." :eek: This was the story in many areas of Los Angeles for about 48 hours. Basically, folks were on their own. He was sort of expecting that kind of response, but wanted to cover himself before he took action.

So, my brother, who had his CCW as a reserve police officer, exited his house with a 4516-1 (the one in the photo below which I ended up with after a later trade) in a Milt Sparks holster and two extra mags. Since he's tall and was then in great shape (he just exudes cop), the usuals backed down (after a fair amount of lip) when he ordered them to move on.

Although he was unaware at the time, he was well covered. After the "male usuals" moved out of sight, my brother heard a familiar voice yell out, "I had you covered, Jim." He turned and saw his next door neighbor (former military) on his roof with an AR15 charged with a 30 round magazine. As it turned out, the neighbor had gone up on his roof to watch the fires in other areas of the city and, given current events, he took along his AR. He later told my brother that when he heard my brother, he got in position and sighted up on the lead "male usual" and remained so until they had cleared the area. Now that's back up. ;)

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I pray to God none of this comes to pass. However, I see Biblical prophecy being played out right before my eyes. Current talk of a world currency, or an ID number assigned to each individual, and the computerization of healthcare info appears to be leading to the "Mark of the Beast" talked about in the Bible. Be prepared.
 
I pray to God none of this comes to pass. However, I see Biblical prophecy being played out right before my eyes. Current talk of a world currency, or an ID number assigned to each individual, and the computerization of healthcare info appears to be leading to the "Mark of the Beast" talked about in the Bible. Be prepared.
I couldn't agree more. People, This is all prophesy coming to pass right before our eyes. Jesus is the only hope. If you don't know Him, please get acquainted with him now!
 
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GF: "...you obtain money in the inflated economy and use it pay your debts that are denominated in preinflated dollars. I've yet to see any doomsayer give this advice..."

Maybe because that locks you into only one scenario (there has to be inflation and you have to keep your job) and doomsayers try to be prepared for every possible scenario. Being debt free IS freedom, it keeps you off the radar, you can be more mobile, you can think more clearly, you don't have to sell stuff off at a great loss to pay debt.
 
Funny thing, but I'm less worried then I use to be about this subject. Spent some time learning to be a woodsman. Workin' on learning to run a trap line this year. Spending more time with folks in rendevous events. Cached some supplies back in God's country. Workin on a Hovel. I could hole up for a Winter up here. After a Maine Winter, the folks that are left are going to be fewer and farther between.

How's that for sounding nutty...:D


giz
 
GF: "...you obtain money in the inflated economy and use it pay your debts that are denominated in preinflated dollars. I've yet to see any doomsayer give this advice..."

Maybe because that locks you into only one scenario (there has to be inflation and you have to keep your job) and doomsayers try to be prepared for every possible scenario. Being debt free IS freedom, it keeps you off the radar, you can be more mobile, you can think more clearly, you don't have to sell stuff off at a great loss to pay debt.

Part of the problem will be earning enough income in a hyperinflationary economy. Unemployment will be much higher and what cash you have might not be enough to take care of your necessities, let alone pay any debts owed...

Read me... http://www.oftwominds.com/survival-plus-CHS.pdf
 
Jetstream: Part of the problem will be earning enough income in a hyperinflationary economy. Unemployment will be much higher and what cash you have might not be enough to take care of your necessities, let alone pay any debts owed...



If the government goes to a cashless society money won't be worth anything at all. You'll have to have their "chip" to buy, sell or pay debts.
 
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Too much paranoia feeding on itself.

Nope...just another day in Paradise....:)

Nothing wrong with being prepared. We had a Ice Storm in Maine that brought the above scenario to us. No power, no phone, no Internet..:D Power lines down in the roadways, so no travel.. No stores open.

You had what you had ~ to work with. Middle of Winter. Eight days before we could drive down the road and things were back to semi normal.

We had woodstoves, lanterns, candles. Our propane stove and gas hot water heater were the old style piloted units. We had a gravity fed well that kept us in plenty of water. We had a ton of food. We were fat cats.

What did I learn. Hungry and Cold relatives moved in immediately. They came via Snowmobiles. We housed everyone that came. And in a week we were about out of food....Neighbors came by, asking for our propane lanterns and food for their kids. We handed out cooked rice....

Let me tell y'all something. In another week, things would have gotten pretty ugly.

giz
 
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