CMP 1911's

[gdnagle]

Got this email from CMP about the 1911's they hope to get. Looks like they want to CTA with the extra hoops to jump through. Now if only they let the M! Garand's and Carbines back into the country.

CMP 1911 Information

To all CMP constituents:

The CMP Board of Directors has discussed at length how the sales of 1911s would be handled, if the CMP were to ever receive them from the United States Army.

Some preliminary decisions:

Decisions concerning the grade and pricing of the 1911s will not be made until inspection has occurred of a substantial quantity which will take an estimated 150 days post receipt.
All laws pertaining to the sale of 1911s by CMP will be strictly obeyed.
Potential purchasers will have to provide to CMP a new set of documents exhibiting: 1) proof of U.S. Citizenship, 2) proof of membership in a CMP affiliated club, 3) proof of participation in a marksmanship activity, 4) a new form 2A with notary, 5) successful completion of a NICS background check, 6) a signed copy of the 01 Federal Firearms License in which the 1911 will be transferred to.
The CMP customer will be required to complete a form 4473 in person and successfully complete another NICS check by the recipient FFL holder before the pistol can be transferred.
Qualified CMP customer will only be allowed to purchase one 1911 per calendar year.
No 1911s available in the CMP stores, or on line, only mail order sales.
CMP will set the date in which it will accept orders for the 1911s. The date will be posted to the world.
Orders will only be accepted via mail order delivery.
Orders will only be accepted post marked on the date or after, no early orders.
Once CMP receives 10,000 orders, customer names will be loaded into the Random Number Generator.
The Random Number Generator will provide a list of names in sequence order through a random picking process to CMP.
Customers will be contacted in the sequence provided by the Random Number Generator.
When the customer is contacted a list of 1911 grades and pricing options that are available will be offered for selection of one.
As CMP proceeds down the sequenced list less grade and pricing options will be available. Again, this done completely random.

Mark Johnson
Chief Operating Officer
Civilian Marksmanship Program

 

[4barrel]

I wont a SINGER.

 

[ladder13]

Ready, willing, and able.

 

[Ivan the Butcher]

Proof of Citizenship and 2 background checks! If you enlist you could be issued a better grade weapon, And you don't have to be a citizen!

Ivan

 

[HARDWARE]

That's a lot of red tape. I'd rather pay too much

 

[Dave from Pa]

Don`t hold your breath,rumor has it rack grade pistols will be 1000.00.All the high end pieces will go to CMP auction.

 

[LoboGunLeather]

Don`t hold your breath,rumor has it rack grade pistols will be 1000.00.All the high end pieces will go to CMP auction.

No doubts about that. Any pistol found to be entirely original (correct parts, finish, etc), regardless of overall condition, will probably go to auction and prospective purchasers will be bidding against serious collectors across the country. Deep pockets will prevail.

 

[Arik]

Not going through all that nonsense for a gun. Proof of citizenship, notaries, memberships, writing letters. Don't need another gun that bad

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[PPS1980]

Don`t hold your breath,rumor has it rack grade pistols will be 1000.00.All the high end pieces will go to CMP auction.

Sorry, but they have said no auction - all will be graded and offered through the random number generated list. "No 1911s available in the CMP stores, or on line, only mail order sales." Which, IMHO, is far superior because it does not favor the wealthy over the enthusiast with less cash. I rather like most of what they said (the multiple background checks is complete BS but whatever).

 

[Culina]

So what to refinished, rebuilt, mixmaster USGI 1911's go for out in the field?

 

[Collo Rosso]

rumor has it rack grade pistols will be 1000.00.

I have seen this figure mentioned else where. I guess I don't have the collector mentality as I just don't see them worth that.

 

[Collo Rosso]

So what to refinished, rebuilt, mixmaster USGI 1911's go for out in the field?

Will you be able to buy one in Californication?

 

[Culina]

Will you be able to buy one in Californication?

Since they are over 50 years old, we should be able to, after state sales tax is collected and then you get to wait 10 days to pick it up, after the paperwork is completed at the receiving dealer.

 

[H Richard]

You did note on the "revised" instructions that it requires two NCIS checks didn't you ? One by them before they ship a pistol and one by your FFL for you to pick it up. No C&R FFL's will be usable.

 

[PALADIN85020]

I would have thought that a copy of a DD form 214 or a copy of one's honorable discharge certificate would be an option instead of having to prove membership in a CMP affiliated club, etc. I would definitely have given priority to current service members and veterans - after all, these were the guns most vets learned to use while in the military. If they were trusted with them then, they should be trusted with them now.

As issued, 1911s are really not all that suitable for marksmanship competition, and that would usually not be the point of wanting to own one. Most would have to be accurized for precision use, and that would ruin any collector value.

Somebody in the CMP has their objectives, standards and priorities screwed up for politically correct reasons.

John

 

[glenncal1]

Question- how does one get a NICS check without a purchase, and what is the proof?

 

[Ozark Marine]

PALADIN85020 explained it in alot nicer terms than I was going to.

 

[Watchdog]

Well, here we go again with all the speculating and griping and looking for the CMP's hidden agenda regarding the 1911s.

I, too, got the e-mail this morning. Then shortly after received a second e-mail from the CMP, "clarifying" some things that were in the first e-mail.

So I'll post the two e-mails here for everyone to read.

Speaking for myself, as much as I love the old 1911s and 1911A1s, I'm probably going to pass on this.

I'd been looking forward to maybe getting one, but not now. Reading the e-mails, there's simply too much pure-T bureaucratic B.S. to go through to get one. I'm just not going to jump through all the CMP-required hoops.

Oh, and I could only buy one a year?!? And that's if I was lucky enough to be chosen in a group picked by some Random Number Generator six or seven months after the CMP gets the pistols? Get away from me with all that, just get away.

I've tried to be open minded about potential CMP requirements and time frames...but this pretty much puts the kibosh on this deal for me.

There are still beaucoup 1911s and 1911A1s on the open market. Yeah, they're expensive, for the most part, but if I wanted one, I could have it in a few days...not sometime next year or the year after.

Sorry, CMP...you lost my business.

Here is the information contained in the two e-mails I received this morning:

 

[reddog81]

I figured the process would look something like this. They're only allowed to sell 10,000 per year. They'll sell out quickly.

The hoops aren't that much different then a typical CMP purchase. They are basically adding the requirement that the guns go through a FFL rather than sent directly to your house. I'm assuming the first background check will processed based on the info on your order form and you won't even know it happened (unless of course you are denied).

This system will help limit the number of guns being purchased for immediate resale.

I don't understand the logic behind people thinking they should give these away to former service members. I heard the statistic last night that there are nearly 1 million new service members since 9/11. How are you going to divide 100,000 pistols among 1,000,000+ people? Does everyone get 10% of a pistol?
If you start giving the pistols away they'll just end up on gunbroker going to the highest bidder anyways...

 

[Ozark Marine]

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I don't understand the logic behind people thinking they should give these away to former service members. I heard the statistic last night that there are nearly 1 million new service members since 9/11. How are you going to divide 100,000 pistols among 1,000,000+ people? Does everyone get 10% of a pistol?
If you start giving the pistols away they'll just end up on gunbroker going to the highest bidder anyways...

No one said anything about "giving away" the 1911's to vets.
Give veterans priority over civilians in social clubs who never served and only want to have a piece of U.S. Military history while never earning it.

 

[Watchdog]

I would definitely have given priority to current service members and veterans - after all, these were the guns most vets learned to use while in the military. If they were trusted with them then, they should be trusted with them now.

I have to respectfully disagree with that, especially the part about "current service members" being given priority. There's a reason the CMP is called the Civilian Marksmanship Program. I served fifty years ago, but some boot recruit should get priority over me? I don't think so. I also don't see how the issue of "trust" should figure into the equation.

Somebody in the CMP has their objectives, standards and priorities screwed up for politically correct reasons.

John

I just think this is another case of looking for a hidden agenda or motive that doesn't exist. That's just my opinion. I don't see some sort of 1911 marketing conspiracy here.

I have seen this figure mentioned else where. I guess I don't have the collector mentality as I just don't see them worth that.

What do you think they're worth? Have you recently tried to buy a WWI or WWII era G.I. 1911 or 1911A1? Have you priced them on today's market? The days of $500 and $600 1911s are over, folks. Especially the harder-to-find ones like Union Switch & Signal or Remington UMC or Springfield. Or even just a plain ol' Colt in top notch condition.

In the threads about the CMP 1911s, there have been people talking about "I picked one up at a pawn shop for four hundred bucks?" Yeah? When was that? 1979?

No one said anything about "giving away" the 1911's to vets.

I'm fairly certain the member meant "giving away" in a figurative sense.

I wont a SINGER.

People in Hell want ice water.

 

[Watchdog]

Don`t hold your breath,rumor has it rack grade pistols will be 1000.00.

I'd really like for someone who's knowledgeable to explain the term "rack grade" to me. Seriously, what does that mean?

Because if I found a fully functional genuine G.I. 1911 for a grand, I'd pounce on it and as many others as I could afford (if I had the money).

 

[ankona]

Too much CMP nonsense to gain my interest. I guess I'll just have to spend the $$$ on a DW VBOB.

 

[JohnRippert]

Where's my "sitting back eating popcorn" emoji?


Awful lot of sour grapes in this post . Not what I normally expect from this site.

That said, I have seen the same thing on all the sites with CMP 1911 threads.

 

[chief38]

To own a genuine USGI WWl, WWll, Korean War or Vietnam War era 1911 would be great - but cutting through all the red tape makes it a tedious ordeal. While I have not ruled going through the process out, we first need to see if they will ever be released.

 

[murphydog]

I'd really like for someone who's knowledgeable to explain the term "rack grade" to me. Seriously, what does that mean?

Because if I found a fully functional genuine G.I. 1911 for a grand, I'd pounce on it and as many others as I could afford (if I had the money).

Here you go - the names sound arbitrary but fair-excellent is more objective.

M1 Garand - Civilian Marksmanship ProgramCivilian Marksmanship Program

 

[reddog81]

To own a genuine USGI WWl, WWll, Korean War or Vietnam War era 1911 would be great - but cutting through all the red tape makes it a tedious ordeal. While I have not ruled going through the process out, we first need to see if they will ever be released.

It looks more daunting than it actually is. The only requirements you might not already meet is belonging to a CMP club and the proof of marksmanship activities. Spend $20 and joint th Garand Collectors Association, and the list of activities that qualify for the marksmanship is pretty lenient.

 

[PPS1980]

I'd really like for someone who's knowledgeable to explain the term "rack grade" to me. Seriously, what does that mean?

Because if I found a fully functional genuine G.I. 1911 for a grand, I'd pounce on it and as many others as I could afford (if I had the money).

CMP has fairly clear definitions of the various grades used for the M1s. It's really all about wear and tear and original vs. replacement parts. Not that complicated.

 

[GKC]

Maybe I just think differently than most (which is often the case) but if I could get my hands on the actual pistol I was issued/carried, then it would be worth a lot to me. Otherwise, there is no shortage of 1911s on the market, new and used, so to jump through all these hoops and delays and (possibly) pay a premium? Nah. (I do understand the historical value to many, but I'm just saying what I think.)

 

[Old Corp]

Once more, we're all shown that when it absolutely HAS to be fouled-up, convoluted and fu-barred, no one beats our government.