I bought a bunch of 20 round boxes of CMP 30-06 FMJ Ball it was Packaged by Talon MFN,CO INC.I heard there were problems with some ammo they distributed .I wont to shoot it in a M-1 made in 1955. I've shot it in a 03-A3 and it very accurate.
CMP 30-06 FMJ Ball
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M E Morrison
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HMMM, what did you hear?
The only troublesome 30-06 ammo I ever heard of was certain batches of Korean surplus.
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Frank46
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The K series was supposed to be all loaded with corrosive primers but have learned that isn't quite true. That and some lots can have case failures. The P series was loaded with non corrosive primers but that series did also suffer from case problems. The CMP should have a chart for each series and year explaining the various case problems. As for me I'm down to my last 3 30cal ammo cans of LC67-69 so when thats gone thats it.then will have to reload for the old girl. Frank
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Nothing wrong with corrosive priming that proper cleaning won't take care of. However, "case problems" could mean several things, most of which are potentially dangerous. Seems CMP wouldn't release such ammunition.
Best to get facts from the reputable source rather than rely on rumors.
Best to get facts from the reputable source rather than rely on rumors.
I have about 1 K of 30-06 in clips for my M1 made in Greece on Winchester
equipment in the 1950's. Only thing I shoot in my WWII M1 Garand.
equipment in the 1950's. Only thing I shoot in my WWII M1 Garand.
Talon Manufacturing to cease operations by MAY 10, 2007. Is this the company that you are referring to? I did not here that they were back in business, but I shot thousands of 308 & 3006 back when it was available. Accurate, cheap- $ 5-6 per box. Where did you here the rumor? Be Safe,
Coastie762
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I have some M2 ball purchased years ago from the CMP that was repackaged by Talon and marked as such. This was delinked MG ammo, late 60's LC production. My batch was all headstamped LC 68, loaded with ball powder and shoots OK through my Garands.
Coastie762
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It's just LakeCity arsenal Milsurp ammo. late 60's mfg.
CMP hired the outfit to most likely strip the stuff from MG links and repackage for general sale.
MG links/linked ammo are considered 'hi-cap' magazines under many state laws that ban such. So selling linked ammo is a smaller market for the CMP than just boxed ammo.
I can't figure why some $5.00 hr kids de-linking and repackaging the stuff into 5cent recycled cardboard boxes makes it somehow unsafe.
Maybe if it just had the CMP logo on it, there wouldn't be any rumors & suspicions.
CMP hired the outfit to most likely strip the stuff from MG links and repackage for general sale.
MG links/linked ammo are considered 'hi-cap' magazines under many state laws that ban such. So selling linked ammo is a smaller market for the CMP than just boxed ammo.
I can't figure why some $5.00 hr kids de-linking and repackaging the stuff into 5cent recycled cardboard boxes makes it somehow unsafe.
Maybe if it just had the CMP logo on it, there wouldn't be any rumors & suspicions.
jimbo728
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The Greek HXP M2 Ball was some of the best stuff in my Garands. Only ammo that caused problems for me was a can of Win 53.
Many pierced primers. Destroyed 2 firing pins and an extractor.
Jim
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jimbo728
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That is LC head stamped M2 Ball. i would not worry too much about it being good for a Garand.
Jim
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jimbo728
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What Im seeing is LC and last 2 numbers of Manufacture date.
Never heard of LLC. Maybe a typo.
LC is Lake City.
Jim
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I'm thinking the 'LC' headstamp confusion is over wether the ammo was made at the USA arsenal at Lake City,,or wether it may have been made in Hungary.
Seems that there is a plant in Hungary by the name of ' Måtravidèki Fèmmüvek ' that uses/used the same LC headstamp.
This from a simple Mr Google search.
That 30-06 ball ammo was imported by Armscorp USA some years back.
There's been some back and forth discussion on different forums by lots of experts wether the LC headstamped ammo in the Talon boxes is real USA or Hungarian mfg.
I don't know what to make of it,,I still shoot Korean stuff myself and haven't blown anything up yet. It'll be years before those boxes aree gone.
Here's a link to a page full of headstamp ID's. scroll down to the 'L's' and find the 2 different LC markings.
Put that Hungarian ammo plant name in a separate search and find all sorts of discussions on subject of the ammo.
Headstamp Codes - International Ammunition Association
I still think the Talon boxed stuff is US mfg LakeCity ammo repackaged after delinking.
Maybe a summer jobs project for yoots. Kids like ammo.
Seems that there is a plant in Hungary by the name of ' Måtravidèki Fèmmüvek ' that uses/used the same LC headstamp.
This from a simple Mr Google search.
That 30-06 ball ammo was imported by Armscorp USA some years back.
There's been some back and forth discussion on different forums by lots of experts wether the LC headstamped ammo in the Talon boxes is real USA or Hungarian mfg.
I don't know what to make of it,,I still shoot Korean stuff myself and haven't blown anything up yet. It'll be years before those boxes aree gone.
Here's a link to a page full of headstamp ID's. scroll down to the 'L's' and find the 2 different LC markings.
Put that Hungarian ammo plant name in a separate search and find all sorts of discussions on subject of the ammo.
Headstamp Codes - International Ammunition Association
I still think the Talon boxed stuff is US mfg LakeCity ammo repackaged after delinking.
Maybe a summer jobs project for yoots. Kids like ammo.
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500SNW
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JMHO but .30-06 doesn't seem a likely cartridge to be loaded by a Warsaw Pact country like Hungary. Especially during the 1960's when those countries all fielded the 7.62x54R.
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jimbo728
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I tend to agree with this statement and add that I doubt the CMP would sell LC stamped M2 Ball that that was not Lake City.
Jim
I bought several ammo cans of the ammo pictured from the CMP North Store 10 or 15 years ago. It was sold by the CMP as Lake City surplus ammo. I don’t think they were lying about it.
The stuff always shot fine for me, I still have a couple of cans left. It was $0.20 per round back then, and service grade Danish and Greek return Garands could be had for $279. Who would have thought the good old days would end so quickly.
The stuff always shot fine for me, I still have a couple of cans left. It was $0.20 per round back then, and service grade Danish and Greek return Garands could be had for $279. Who would have thought the good old days would end so quickly.
Richard Simmons
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I may be mistaken but I believe the 30.06 ammo was sold by the government as components and Talon reassembled those components, primed case, powder and bullet back into live rounds. I got some in a trade years ago and had some duds and hang fires.
