The frame is stamped "1911A1US ARMY CMP"
CMP is selling Tisas 1911s
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The frame is stamped "1911A1US ARMY CMP"
How does this fit the CMP mission statement?
WHAT????
The Civilian Marksmanship Program (CMP) seems to have forgotten the REAL purpose of the CIVILIAN MARKSMANSHIP PROGRAM!!
Too many people think the CMP is just a surplus outlet to get "cool deals" on Garands, 1903s, M1 carbines, etc.
Well guess what?
They are supposed to be fostering the improvement in marksmanship skills of Americans, using the small arms currently being issued to our troops, in order to facilitate better training and the defense of the country in time of war or national crisis. (Look up how many matches they DON'T offer anywhere near you, if you want to know how well they're fulfilling that role!)
The CMP is not, nor was it ever intended to be, a retail sales operation!!.
So, please stop using terms like "their customers"!
Gee Whiz, why not just offer Norinco SKS rifles made in China and tell every kid in an ROTC program or junior rifle program to use one for their "National Match" qualification?
Does anyone else see the irony in any of this as we approach, within days (!), the 80th Anniversary of D-DAY!!!!
WHAT????
The Civilian Marksmanship Program (CMP) seems to have forgotten the REAL purpose of the CIVILIAN MARKSMANSHIP PROGRAM!!
Too many people think the CMP is just a surplus outlet to get "cool deals" on Garands, 1903s, M1 carbines, etc.
Well guess what?
They are supposed to be fostering the improvement in marksmanship skills of Americans, using the small arms currently being issued to our troops, in order to facilitate better training and the defense of the country in time of war or national crisis. (Look up how many matches they DON'T offer anywhere near you, if you want to know how well they're fulfilling that role!)
The CMP is not, nor was it ever intended to be, a retail sales operation!!.
So, please stop using terms like "their customers"!
Gee Whiz, why not just offer Norinco SKS rifles made in China and tell every kid in an ROTC program or junior rifle program to use one for their "National Match" qualification?
Does anyone else see the irony in any of this as we approach, within days (!), the 80th Anniversary of D-DAY!!!!
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I do not have the CMP 1911, but I have handled the Tisas 45 US Army (the new one with the real manganese phosphate finish as opposed to the original cerakote, and they are very nice and they work 100%. For the price, I was very impressed!
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I have no objections to CMP selling a Tisas 1911, although I'm not sure how well they'll do with it. The Tisas does appear to be the best copy of a USGI 1911 that you can buy, but I can get one at my local shop without all the extra CMP paperwork. I've got so many Colts that I don't need a Tisas, but I wish them well.
It would be nice if CMP could get the 1911 program working again, this "audit" has certainly fouled things up. I would've liked a second CMP 1911, but if it never shows up at least I got my '39 Colt. I just bought another car, so I guess a delay until next year would help my finances anyway.
It would be nice if CMP could get the 1911 program working again, this "audit" has certainly fouled things up. I would've liked a second CMP 1911, but if it never shows up at least I got my '39 Colt. I just bought another car, so I guess a delay until next year would help my finances anyway.
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My Word! I've seen them on sale for $319.99!!
Read this, concerning the origins of the CMP, formerly known as the Department of Civilian Marksmanship:
"The 1903 War Department Appropriations Act. The original purpose was to provide civilians an opportunity to learn and practice marksmanship skills so they would be skilled marksmen if later called on to serve in the U.S. military. Formation was precipitated by adoption of the M1903 Springfield rifle as the national service arm. Civilians experienced with popular contemporary lever-action rifles were unable to sustain an equivalent rate of fire from the unfamiliar bolt action M1903 rifle.
Over the years the emphasis of the program shifted to focus on youth development through marksmanship. From 1916 until 1996 the CMP was administered by the U.S. Army. Title XVI of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 1996 (Public Law 104-106, 10 February 1996) created the Corporation for the Promotion of Rifle Practice & Firearms Safety (CPRPFS) to take over administration and promotion of the CMP.[2] The CPRPFS is a tax-exempt non-profit 501(c)(3) corporation chartered by the U.S. Congress, but is not an agency of the U.S. government (Title 36, United States Code, Section 40701 et seq.). Apart from a donation of surplus .22 and .30 caliber rifles in the Army's inventory to the CMP, the CMP receives no federal funding."
The sale of legitimate U.S.military surplus small arms by the DCM (or CMP), was intended to fulfill two purposes:
1) provide an affordable means for citizens to compete in official National Matches where use of a service weapon is required.
2) provide secondary funding for the operation of the organization.
To ensure that purpose #1 was being legitimately fulfilled, you needed to provide proof that you were an active competitive shooter and a U.S. citizen.
Despite this, it seems that the only thing people can focus on here is "who's got the best price" on a cheapo 1911 knock-off!
The day may come, sooner than we expect, that we all come to regret neglecting the original purpose of the DCM or CMP.
"The 1903 War Department Appropriations Act. The original purpose was to provide civilians an opportunity to learn and practice marksmanship skills so they would be skilled marksmen if later called on to serve in the U.S. military. Formation was precipitated by adoption of the M1903 Springfield rifle as the national service arm. Civilians experienced with popular contemporary lever-action rifles were unable to sustain an equivalent rate of fire from the unfamiliar bolt action M1903 rifle.
Over the years the emphasis of the program shifted to focus on youth development through marksmanship. From 1916 until 1996 the CMP was administered by the U.S. Army. Title XVI of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 1996 (Public Law 104-106, 10 February 1996) created the Corporation for the Promotion of Rifle Practice & Firearms Safety (CPRPFS) to take over administration and promotion of the CMP.[2] The CPRPFS is a tax-exempt non-profit 501(c)(3) corporation chartered by the U.S. Congress, but is not an agency of the U.S. government (Title 36, United States Code, Section 40701 et seq.). Apart from a donation of surplus .22 and .30 caliber rifles in the Army's inventory to the CMP, the CMP receives no federal funding."
The sale of legitimate U.S.military surplus small arms by the DCM (or CMP), was intended to fulfill two purposes:
1) provide an affordable means for citizens to compete in official National Matches where use of a service weapon is required.
2) provide secondary funding for the operation of the organization.
To ensure that purpose #1 was being legitimately fulfilled, you needed to provide proof that you were an active competitive shooter and a U.S. citizen.
Despite this, it seems that the only thing people can focus on here is "who's got the best price" on a cheapo 1911 knock-off!
The day may come, sooner than we expect, that we all come to regret neglecting the original purpose of the DCM or CMP.
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Back in the early 90's, I couldn't afford a new "bullseye" 45, so the guys at the local club said, shoot NRA Service Rifle matches with us once a month. I used a loaner M1 Garand for free and all the 30-06 ammo was Lake City surplus that cost me $3.00 a match...and I kept the brass lol.
Once I got classified "Sharpshooter" they explained how to acquire my own M1 Garand thru the DCM. They also explained that going thru the DCM that I was letting the government know that I was a capable marksman in case war broke out and they needed soldiers fast.
Anyway...filling out forms, getting fingerprinted and waiting about 2 years, it arrived on my front porch in Reading Pa.
By the time I got my M1, I was shooting NRA bullseye matches and never went back to service rifle.
Getting a rifle thru the DCM was a legal commitment, but the competitors who explained about getting the rifle said that I was probably too old back then to get drafted.
Once I got classified "Sharpshooter" they explained how to acquire my own M1 Garand thru the DCM. They also explained that going thru the DCM that I was letting the government know that I was a capable marksman in case war broke out and they needed soldiers fast.
Anyway...filling out forms, getting fingerprinted and waiting about 2 years, it arrived on my front porch in Reading Pa.
By the time I got my M1, I was shooting NRA bullseye matches and never went back to service rifle.
Getting a rifle thru the DCM was a legal commitment, but the competitors who explained about getting the rifle said that I was probably too old back then to get drafted.
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Saw a used one in excellent condition in a pawnshop a few weeks ago for $350.00 OTD. Bizarre move for the CMP, and no surprise they overpriced it!
I'm actually waiting on a Service Grade Garand to arrive. FedEx said today… looking like tomorrow.
If you go on CMP Forums, the last couple of days… maybe a week and a half… people have been reporting new Criterion barrels installed on their Service Grade Garands. No warning or heads up. I'm probably 50/50 on if I got a USGI barrel or not. I already have a more/less commercial Garand with a VAR barrel. This one was supposed to be something with history behind it. If I get a 2020s barrel… I'll contact CMP and see what options I have to return it. If I can pay the difference, wouldn't mind getting one of those Navy Mod 1 rifles.
Unfortunately, I think the CMP is getting to the end of the line. M1 Carbines are gone. M1903s… gone. Garands are pretty well dried up. After those… what large numbers of rifles can be sold? M14s are all machine guns. Maybe they will do AR lowers for A2 builds.
Or if they move into just handguns? Selling Tisas pistols aren't the end of the world, but I do think that we are starting to see the death rattles of CMP.
If you go on CMP Forums, the last couple of days… maybe a week and a half… people have been reporting new Criterion barrels installed on their Service Grade Garands. No warning or heads up. I'm probably 50/50 on if I got a USGI barrel or not. I already have a more/less commercial Garand with a VAR barrel. This one was supposed to be something with history behind it. If I get a 2020s barrel… I'll contact CMP and see what options I have to return it. If I can pay the difference, wouldn't mind getting one of those Navy Mod 1 rifles.
Unfortunately, I think the CMP is getting to the end of the line. M1 Carbines are gone. M1903s… gone. Garands are pretty well dried up. After those… what large numbers of rifles can be sold? M14s are all machine guns. Maybe they will do AR lowers for A2 builds.
Or if they move into just handguns? Selling Tisas pistols aren't the end of the world, but I do think that we are starting to see the death rattles of CMP.
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Terry G
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Sportsmans Outdoor Superstore has them for $359.99 with free shipping.
Tisas 1911A1 Government 45ACP Full-Size Pistol with Extra Set of Plastic Grips | Sportsman's Outdoor Superstore
Tisas 1911A1 Government 45ACP Full-Size Pistol with Extra Set of Plastic Grips | Sportsman's Outdoor Superstore
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Which finish? From what I'm reading the CMP guns have a phosphate finish with the commercial ones use something else.
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OK I did not know that but still won't be buying one. It's not made in the USA or England so I am out.
AJ
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CMP has been running low on U.S.surplus firearms for a while. They need some way to stay in business. If selling commercial arms is the way to stay in business then so be it. Nothing in the inventory except handguns and a few bolt action rifles are coming from the government. The old days of walking into the North Store and seeing a couple of hundred M1 Garands in the racks for sale are gone.
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The SKU in the ad you posted doesn't seem to match the SKUs on Tisas' site.
SKU 10100539 / UPC 723551444191 is the manganese phosphate finish version identical to the CMP offering without the 'CMP' stamping. That version is available from online retailers as low as $369.
The ones for sale as low as $319 are usually the grey cerakote versions.
I have a variety 1911s from Colt, Springfield, Kimber and Ruger, as well as a couple from Tisas. The Tisas guns compare very favorably in fit and finish, and are far better than some Colts and Springfields I have handled. The fact that they use forged frames, slides and barrels and have no MIM parts is just a bonus.
If the CMP can't get surplus 1911s, and decided to use Tisas to get more 1911s in the hands of US citizens, I'm all for it. But then again, value for money beat out brand snobbery for me a long time back....
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SKU 10100539 / UPC 723551444191 is the manganese phosphate finish version identical to the CMP offering without the 'CMP' stamping. That version is available from online retailers as low as $369.
Which retailer has it for 369.00. Buds guns has it for 419.
Which retailer has it for 369.00. Buds guns has it for 419.
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