Colorado Magazine Bill Question

[El Bombardero]

Misdemeanor you can get by doing nothing. Here you are going to traffic firearms, sell without background check, sell to people unauthorized to own, resist arrest, commit civil disobedience, incite resistance to democratically elected government and so on.

All we are doing is a magazine swap. It's a symbolic action. Nobody is planning on resisting arrest or incite resistance. Or selling guns for that matter.

I have heard mountains of reasons (read: excuses) why people can't or won't commit to this. I'm sure glad our founding fathers weren't afraid of a misdemeanor charge when history called on them to take a stand.

To me this is why the sentiments of "molon labe", "don't tread on me", "we came unarmed...this time", "come and take it", "the second amendment protects all the rest", etc., are all starting to ring very hollow. Guns are being confiscated door to door in California, magazines and semi auto rifles are being outlawed in NY, and now in Western gun-loving Colorado we are starting to see the rights eroded. This doesn't all come in some crystal clear moment when people can have the luxury of a black and white decision to make. This stuff happens over time, slowly, and by the time you think you may be ready to take a stand, it's already too late.

The time is now.

 

[Buffalohunter60]

All we are doing is a magazine swap. It's a symbolic action. Nobody is planning on resisting arrest or incite resistance. Or selling guns for that matter.

I have heard mountains of reasons (read: excuses) why people can't or won't commit to this. I'm sure glad our founding fathers weren't afraid of a misdemeanor charge when history called on them to take a stand.

To me this is why the sentiments of "molon labe", "don't tread on me", "we came unarmed...this time", "come and take it", "the second amendment protects all the rest", etc., are all starting to ring very hollow. Guns are being confiscated door to door in California, magazines and semi auto rifles are being outlawed in NY, and now in Western gun-loving Colorado we are starting to see the rights eroded. This doesn't all come in some crystal clear moment when people can have the luxury of a black and white decision to make. This stuff happens over time, slowly, and by the time you think you may be ready to take a stand, it's already too late.

The time is now.

Your right...and its time for a challange (court this time) Its also time to team up with the sheriffs that support and defend the constitution.....they may need us to back them up...many are on your side. There is more than one way to skin a cat. The legal challanges are coming...but I would love to see these elected officals proscuted for dishonoring their Oath of office. What part of "Not to be In fringed" do they not understand? It needs to be made clear to them.

 

[douk]

Hi, new member here, I have a question about the new legislation in Colorado concerning magazine capacity. I understand that you can legally posess a magazine over 15 round capacity after the bill goes into effect provided you owned it before July 1st, does this mean you can also still use it? The law as I read it isn't clear. Anyone? Thanks!

Hi MLD, if your still checking in.

The bill is so poorly written it is impossible to comply with, and enforce. Either the authors wanted it that way, so no one could pick up most magazines in the formally great state of Colorado, without breaking the law, or they were careless to the point of being negligent. This bill undoubtedly will be challenged in the courts.
This equates to a frivolous bill, and should be repealed or overturned, and the authors, sponsors, and signers should be held accountable for doing a poor job.
It looks like infringement of the 2nd Amendment to me, but alas I am not a constitutional scholar, and I bet the authors, sponsors, and signers are not either. If they are, then shame on them.

 

[MLD]

Hi MLD, if your still checking in.

The bill is so poorly written it is impossible to comply with, and enforce. Either the authors wanted it that way, so no one could pick up most magazines in the formally great state of Colorado, without breaking the law, or they were careless to the point of being negligent. This bill undoubtedly will be challenged in the courts.
This equates to a frivolous bill, and should be repealed or overturned, and the authors, sponsors, and signers should be held accountable for doing a poor job.
It looks like infringement of the 2nd Amendment to me, but alas I am not a constitutional scholar, and I bet the authors, sponsors, and signers are not either. If they are, then shame on them.

And these are the people making our laws, God help us.

 

[HereSinceTheLongHunters]

The absurdness of turning normal citizens into felons with the stroke of a party agenda pen is exactly what needs to go on trial. The more it contrasts with reason, the better. Saw an article last night on the CO boycott that was a bright spot... except that it dissappeared as soon as all kinds of people started commenting that they were cancelling hunting, family vacation and ski trips to CO as a result of the anti american legislation....(probably the opposite of the intent!) Keep that word spreading as well, its already getting media attention...

 

[Buffalohunter60]

We each have the right to defend our Constitutional rights if anyone violates them. Sooner or later someone is going to try to stomp on the rights of a man that understands his constitutional rights and there is going to be blood shed. Then the legal battle to the supreme court. I urge you all to view the u-tube of Carl Miller...this man understands the Constitution better than most. I posted a link to his u-tube site. Please take the time to listen to him. We are the defenders of our constitutional rights and we will have to have the same courage that many soldiers face in battle if the time comes. I am not going to surrender my constitutional rights to anyone....and if one day I die defending those rights...so be it...I will die sooner or later anyway...I would rather die a free man than be the subject of any government. The Oath does not mean the same to all people...some recite it and know they will collect a good retirement after one term as an elected rep of the people...some mean what they say. In the end...its all up to us...who we are, what we stand for, and what we are willing to accept for infringement...if any. Its all up to us in the end. You have the right to defend your constitutional rights and to use deadly force against anyone that tries to take them from you. Does not mean you will win the battle....but if enough rally to the cause...we will preserve the rights of all Americans and maybe the future representatives will take note. I will always hope for a peaceful outcome to defending our rights....but it may take standing up for our rights to preserve them. Work hard to take the peaceful road, that is what all of us want to see....but be willing to pay the price of freedom if its placed on the auction block. Freedom is priceless and I will pay any price to insure that the next generation has the freedom I have....or die trying if thats what it takes. Never give up your freedom, your Constitution or your God Given rights.

 

[El Bombardero]

Please take the time to give this video a thumbs down, and share it with your friends.

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[CA Escapee]

Too bad you can't hold the people who did this financially responsible for the damage they've done. At the very least, no politican who sponsors or votes for a law that violates the Constitution should be allowed to remain in office.

Years ago, when I lived in California, it became obvious to me that the legislators there passed laws without regard as to whether they would be overturned in the courts. And why should they?

Here's the scenario they live in. They "work" all year passing bills that suit their agenda. (Meanwhile, the state is circling the drain with budgetary problems.) We the taxpayers paid their salary for the entire year. They come up with some of the most hair-brained laws and we the taxpayers have to pay attorney's to file a lawsuit in court to have it overturned. Who defends them in court, the state attorney general who's salary is paid by, you guessed it, the taxpayers.

Legislators don't have to spend a cent to defend what they do. I think what states need is a law that if a legislator presents a bill that is passed into law, then overturned by the courts, the legislator should have to personally reimburse the taxpayers. Essentially, looser pays.

They should have to pay back that part of their salary while they crafted the bogus bill. They should have to pay the taxpayers' attorney's fees, and they should have to pay back the cost for the attorney general to defend their bogus law in court.

And, if you pass "x" number of laws that get overturned in court, you're out of there with a failing grade. Any legislator that passes bad laws that don't pass judical review obviously isn't cut out for the job and is there just wasting the taxpayers money.

Just venting.

Bill

 

[douk]

Please take the time to give this video a thumbs down, and share it with your friends.

Gun Legislation Message - YouTube

This is a good way to show your support for the vast number of Colorado residents who do not approve of what has been done.
Especially today as the Campaigner in Chief is in Colorado strictly to promote gun control.

 

[douk]

A follow up check on this video reveals how corrupted big government can get.
Gun Legislation Message - YouTube
After overwhelmingly negative comments about the video, and the content of the video, the Governor has censored the comments. All comments have been removed, and no comments will be allowed, but guess what? The video is still there. To me that reeks of self serving political propaganda. With clear evidence of just how the video and the legislation were becoming an obvious embarrassment, what do they do. You would think they might want to remove it.......heck no, just the opposition to it.
If you can please share the video with all you know, and remind them to thumbs down, (if they don't like it) it would be great.
And thanks to EL B for informing us of this propaganda against the 2nd Amendment.

 

[El Bombardero]

Comments are gone, but ratings are still there. Keep spreading the word to get this video the worst rating possible.

And thanks Douk for keeping an eye on it.

 

[hayesxb]

I voted it with a thumbs down. There are only 26 likes...